Welcome to California - Well, not really!

[tr206]

Too many sitting on their hands. Everything is political start bitchin and voting or your going to lose. Sitting around doing nothing gets you nothing it's not rocket science.

[tr206]

Think about it even wiping your butt is political because your pissing off the tree huggers, animal rights, the green party because it takes energy to produce toilet paper and transporting it to getting rid of your crap takes energy. All of it will step on somebodies toes somewhere it's getting absurd.

[luvrbus]

Lot of the crap with the 2 stroke DD were brought on by the owners,DD would have a engine setup for a area and the applications and a owner always looking for more HP.here they go with bigger injectors, more heat, more oil usage and more fuel usage.Dumbest thing in the world to me is A timing a 71 series in a bus just to use bigger injectors for a few more HP

[dtcerrato]

We're not in that group. Always been fine with just the way it was designed. Somewhat slow & extremely dependable...

[tr206]

Lot of the crap with the 2 stroke DD were brought on by the owners,DD would have a engine setup for a area and the applications and a owner always looking for more HP.here they go with bigger injectors, more heat, more oil usage and more fuel usage.Dumbest thing in the world to me is A timing a 71 series in a bus just to use bigger injectors for a few more HP

I here yeah. But I'm right now for the few that are left you think they could be granded a waiver or grandfathered. Anyway everyone will be happy to know you won't catch me in California. I'll spend my money elsewhere. With all the other issue going on out there the state is a stinking ship anyway. It's a unfortunate reality.

[Jim Blackwood]

This right here is almost entirely the reason I bought a '96 model bus.

Jim

[dtcerrato]

Ours is a 53 and no issues in FL nor AK and everywhere between...life is good. 

[luvrbus]

This right here is almost entirely the reason I bought a '96 model bus.

Jim

You cannot run 96 non EGR series 60 engine in CA it has to be  a 2010 and later,that is why buses are so cheap now coming from CA

[windtrader]

The handful of two stroke engines left in this country isn't going to kill mother earth.

I agree that the impact we 2 troke busnuts have on the environment is nill. I'm not sure I support that for all two stoke engines. I have read more than once that those motors on weedwhackers and leaf blowers spew an unbelievable amount of pollutants and with the millions of hours running every day, it is plausible to me that that group of two strioke engines may indeed need to be controlled better.
Clifford is right as he's up on the war on two strokes over time. I was just on the cusp of seeing the final wave of 2 strokes phased out and did a lot of research into the timing and what equipment was going to survive.
To add insult to injury, there may be even more regulations on heavy truck motors but don't quote me on that. But maybe that is the Clean Truck Program now being phased in the next couple years. Maybe the next move from CARB is the EV only push on passenger cars pointed at big trucks.
   

[Dave5Cs]

Don don't forget the plastic bags and the pork farmers as well as Bacon being stopped.

[windtrader]

In general, basically someone has to say virtually every single thing we eat, touch, breath, drink, even think is somehow toxic to our body. Just shoot yourself in the head and get over it.

[Dave5Cs]

I always wonder who actually make or writes and file the laws in Cali because when you drive downtown at the capitol the workers all seem to be outside in the park talking and drinking macilotoes and have their badges on until the day is over, LOL

[windtrader]

I always wonder who actually make or writes and file the laws in Cali because when you drive downtown at the capitol the workers all seem to be outside in the park talking and drinking macilotoes and have their badges on until the day is over, LOL

You been gone too long. Now, you see nobody cause they are all "working" at home, sipping those drink while sunning by the pool.

[luvrbus]

Last time we were in San Fran CA it was a little to much even for me,what a sight to see naked wrinkled up old men playing checkers in a City Park

[Jim Blackwood]

You cannot run 96 non EGR series 60 engine in CA it has to be  a 2010 and later,that is why buses are so cheap now coming from CA

Huh, Well there go all my intensely detailed plans to visit California. Now let's see, where was it I filed those? Oh yeah in that one called "bit bucket"

Jim