Welcome to California - Well, not really!

[luvrbus]

The Opacity test will drive a nail in the coffin for 2 strokes. You can do one yourself with a clean white filter media ,40% of light is not going to happen on a 2 stroke engine and some 4 stroke engines,CARB is serious about this s*** 

[tr206]

Injecting of Natural gas (CNG), Propane and now by Cummins Hydrogen injection kits, will cleanup the diesel particulates and smoke. Cummins says their kits are available. MCI made their CNG clean busses for the SoCal Fly bus company for many years...

So how many thousands of dallars in converting and more added equipment to shove in a already compact space or pull the old smokey engine out and paying tens or hundreds of thousands of dallars for some hydrogen or electric engine retro fit. I guess we all have millions of dallars laying around to spend and time to match right. We need to fight to keep what we have not bent over and take it up the tail pipe what the hell not pissed at you just saying. We all bitch about spending 3 or 4 grand on a set of tires or set of new batteries for God sakes.

[tr206]

Whatever happened to the Grandfather clause?

[Jim Blackwood]

Not enough grandfathers around enforcing it.

[luvrbus]

Whatever happened to the Grandfather clause?

One would guess that in CA grandfathers right have expiration date.Right now this a CA deal and has nothing to with other states YET. CA is the only state I know that will charge you a $10.00 deposit on a $5.00 can of R134 freon our local NAPA store in Needles won't stock the stuff anymore,Steve sends people to Walmart in Ft Mohave for freon.

[windtrader]

The Opacity test will drive a nail in the coffin for 2 strokes. You can do one yourself with a clean white filter media ,40% of light is not going to happen on a 2 stroke engine and some 4 stroke engines,CARB is serious about this s***

Clifford, I was tied up all day so did not have a chance to poll some of the PSIP testers that have been doing opacity tests. I believe you and you are pretty straight up on the details. I just want to get it from the licensed and legal shops that do this everyday in this state and communicate with CARB regularly. Will try Monday.

[windtrader]

We, that is commercial buses converted to motorhomes and then retitled as houscars by the CA DMV were able to be exempted by the massive tsunami that crushed nearly all 2 strokes on the road and many off road uses too.

The way it reads to me is this regulation supercedes all previous orders. It does contain its own listed exemptions of which we are not included. Out of state registered RV/motorhomes are allowed in the state but not CA registered.
Maybe there are lot of members reading along but it sure seems slim pickings that so few are potentially impacted. I'm not trying to be an alarmist but rather fact finding and reporting.

[Dave5Cs]

Don what you have done is poked the bear and woke him up to the fact that you own something they didn;t think of and now you will pay the price, Should of let old dogs lye. LOL

[Melbo]

I need three things to keep driving this old bus.

1. A license plate that is current and legal

2. Insurance for the "motorhome"

3. A place that sells diesel and supplies

After that its all grins and giggles.  Follow the law and if the vehicle is licensed you can drive it anywhere it does not violate road restrictions. 

Melbo

[luvrbus]

CA has the right to pull you over for any visible smoke in a vehicle weighing over 14,000 pounds no matter where it is plated.that was put into law in 2020 you can read it chapter 5 -27153.CA has always had the right to stop you for excess smoke even if from out of state

[Melbo]

Any police officer in any state can stop you for no reason or any reason.  Happens all the time.  I don't know if they just get bored or have a quota to fill.  Most are busy doing something that contributes to public safety and I'm sure exhaust smoke can ruin the public's safety.  I don't think I've been to CA since about 2008.  I don't think there is anything there that I need to go see.  I have not been stopped or bothered while traveling in the bus.  And as you know clifford with an L10 I spend most of my time in the right lane well under the limit.

Melbo

[luvrbus]

Any police officer in any state can stop you for no reason or any reason.  Happens all the time.  I don't know if they just get bored or have a quota to fill.  Most are busy doing something that contributes to public safety and I'm sure exhaust smoke can ruin the public's safety.  I don't think I've been to CA since about 2008.  I don't think there is anything there that I need to go see.  I have not been stopped or bothered while traveling in the bus.  And as you know clifford with an L10 I spend most of my time in the right lane well under the limit.




Melbo

They got Jim Smith in Needles a few years ago when he lost a injector tip on his 8v92 it was smoking bad though 

[tr206]

Not enough grandfathers around enforcing it.

Yep not enough grandfathers for sure and to many pacifists on the war on fossil fuel can't live without it not for a long time but that don't stop them shoving it down our throats over night. Not to forget it's a ideolgy way more then a crisis. The handful of two stroke engines left in this country isn't going to kill mother earth.

[Jim Blackwood]

When something becomes a political football you might as well just have a beer, sit back and enjoy the game. In the words of that Iglacius comic fellow: Your house has wheels! Move it out of the way!

Jim

[muldoonman]

The handful of two stroke engines left in this country isn't going to kill mother earth.

Don't know about that one as " 1.6% of U.S. adults are transgender or nonbinary – that is, their gender differs from the sex they were assigned at birth." and they are overrunning all the rules. Squeaky wheels get the grease. You Guys with 2 Strokes better Start Biotching before it's too Late.