CARB

[luvrbus]

Again we are not Class A like Richard said these classes are for selling SS RV's and we are Bus conversion Diesel Pushers......

And by the time that starts or before we will be registered in another state, LOL

LOL Prevost has been try to shed the class A and Bus name for years now,Prevost are always listed for sale as a class A,both Prevost and high end RV manufactures have a new class now called (Premium) we will see if that catches on 

[s2mikon]

Have there been any updates to this mess?

[Bus Lurker]

I'm in CA and all I know is CARB is on the move!  Recently either they ruled, or a law was passes in Sacramento which makes purchasing gasoline powered lawnmowers and other landscaping equipment illegal here in CA after the first of the year.  That will apply to gasoline generators too. 

Based on that, I can't imagine they will let old two strokes slide.  At one time there was someone on the boards named Don Fairchild who has a method of modifying the two strokes to run clean mainly for the oilfields, but I don't see him around anymore.  Windtrader is more knowledgeable on all this that I, so hopefully he will chime in. 

Mike

[s2mikon]

I went up and read the law (SB 210) as it was passed and I could not find motorhomes as exempt. Anything 14K GVWR and diesel is already in the heavy truck and bus program now, so I have to think that this is aimed at diesel motorhomes registered in CA, and those of us wanting to travel to the Great State of California. I still have friends and family there so it is now on my radar. Maybe I missed something?

[s2mikon]

Maybe this is an opportunity to sneak in a few chainsaws or weed whackers in to pay the diesel bill to travel to CA.

[Dave5Cs]

Oh you guys always blow these things out of proportions thanks to a few on here. I lived in California and still have an address there for 58 years and they don't care if you are traveling from other states or through it. The only problem traveler need to know is buy fuel in other states if coming in or through California because it is very high there.
True the CARB is trying to outlaw some things and have for Commercial company trucks not personal vehicles (Yet). If you want to register a Bus conversion all they care about is a VIN check at DMV and that is only if it comes in from another state. If you live there and buy one then they don't care at present.
Its like taxes they are high there and that is why fuel is so high there too0. We are in Kansas right now and were surprised at how expensive food was here and then found out that they unlike California tax food at the grocery stores. Never had that before. Its always something.
Everyone compares other states to California because they think everything there is like Los Angeles, We up north call that the other state. Up north it is way more laid back and a few places have traffic but not like LA.

Where I lived we were 1 hour form the ocean and 1 hour from the mountains. Some of the best fishing in the world like Idaho. Lots of rivers and lakes.

[epretot]

I always laugh about a government entity regulating anything. Enforcement is almost impossible.

I own a painting business. Every painter I know got their undies in a bunch over the Lead Safe work practice.

Truth is there was no one to enforce the rules. It was a money grab. Everyone had to be certified to work on a project with lead paint. All of these certification firms popped up.

I never got certified...

[Tedsoldbus]

My wife's family does stained glass. The big stuff. Catholic Churches all over the northeast mainly. Four generations. All glass in all those big panels are joined by that same toxic grey stuff, but nothing else works joining stained glass. Not meant as a political slam, they have told me that they endure the enviro Nazi inspectors and fines whenever the democrats are in charge. When republicans rule, they go away. Glad you were not invaded by the same guys.

Enough on that. This is about buses. For now, I still get a tickle when I fuel up and can ignore the DEF pump....

[windtrader]

No worries on our old buses at this point. AFAIK there is no pending legislation that sweeps in our old buses. That boat already sailed when they did the massive extinction of the 2 strokes on commercial vehicles, and that took nearly a decade. I am almost certain the last of the ones that got extra time are done.


It is possible they could put spend our tax money to target us but there are so few of us they can put the hurt on a lot more people by targeting free fields. You mention CARB going after gardening equipment and that is true, trying to ban them all and force to batteries. I read somewhere that running a two stroke blower for an hour spews out pollution equal to driving a car a 1000 miles.


CARB has their folks chasing the auto and heavy truck folks to go to electric and fuel cells.


Just my take on CARB these days. I sleep fine and not worried about further restrictions on converted 2 stroke  buses registered as house cars. If you have a newer bus outfitted with a 4 stroke, you might be unable to buy/register one in CA as CARB forces them to be sold out of state. DPF was required but some got exemptions so if something like that came out of a fleet you can't buy it.

[luvrbus]

It takes one a month to read all the CARB bs,some farmers could have 1 old engine that goes away Jan 2022

[buswarrior]

The safety for personally owned vehicles resides in the lobbyists who look out for us, and similar owners.

We need to actively make it known to Fmca/good Sam that we expect them to stand up for older unit owners, otherwise, why would we be members.

Everyone makes that email, it registers, if we wait for someone else, their bread and butter is new vehicle advertisers... they won't give a rats a$$ unless we remind them what we, the members, are expecting for our membership.

Also, the collector car folks are affiliated in the legislative wording. Personal vehicle or historical, regardless of size, same thing.

But if we don't support and encourage those who are representing our interests...

Sit there like a bunch of old a$$holes and losers in a coffee shop, complaining about stuff we aren't going to take action on...

Ours to choose.

Happy coaching!
Buswarrior

[s2mikon]

Okay, I just sent an email to FMCA asking what they are doing to help us. If I get a response I will post it.

[Tedsoldbus]

My buddy with a big class A showed me drone shots of attending the big FMCA gathering in Georgia this summer. I saw 4 older buses. Not sure they hear us anymore. Plethora of 5th wheels and a huge number of newer Class A rigs that perhaps comply with California - made up the majority.
I have to wonder how long a California fire fighter can cut fire line with a battery operated chainsaw? My neighbors Ryobi leaf blower lasts about 8 minutes on one battery and can maybe blow out candles. Changing times but still headed for Florida next week and happy about it. Just focusing on the positives. Like the word DEF still means: hard of hearing
lol

[s2mikon]

DEF something I mix with roundup to make it work better. On the weeds around my bus of course.

[luvrbus]

If CARB does come after the 2 strokes in RV's people that have CA plates maybe the most lucky bus nuts around.LOL CARB spent millions of tax payers dollars changing engines for Greyhound.

DaveC now you need the emission sticker for the year of the engine to register a bus in CA that came about 2 years ago