CARB

[s2mikon]

Listening to a 6-71 or a 8v71 droning up a long grade sounds better than the guitar intro in Stairway to Heaven! The smell of straight weight 40 delo leaking just adds to the pleasure. Kinda like the smell of pot at a stones concert at selland arena in the 1970's.

[Dave5Cs]

lol Clifford take your meds please? or have you been drinking again. They do not care about the year of your engine. That was only commercial. 

[windtrader]

I must be really bored. Did a data dive into the CA DMV vehicle records and put this report together. Interesting, so worthwhile, at least to me.


This is current as of Jan 1, 2020
Heavy duty vehicles registered

CALIFORNIA Heavy Vehicle Total1,041,412

Tables below.
One shows total heavy diesel by make, 2007 and older.
The other shows total heavy diesel by all years.


Main point was to show how few our old buses are of the total. I'll take any bet that CARB has zero interest to target us directly or indirectly. We really are viewed as antiques at this point.

[RJ]

Kinda like the smell of pot at a stones concert at Selland arena in the 1970's.

Hmmm. . . I never saw the Stones at Selland, but I did see The Beach Boys, Three Dog Night, Fleetwood Mac, and Garth. Because of the crowds, I remember parking at the spiral garage at Inyo & VanNess and walking over to the Arena for the Garth concert.

I think the Stones played at the Save Mart Center?

I preferred Roger Rocka's anyway - had season tickets there over 30 years, watched six-time Tony Award winner Audra McDonald grow up in that little theater!

Ah. . . memories. . .

[luvrbus]

lol Clifford take your meds please? or have you been drinking again. They do not care about the year of your engine. That was only commercial. 

Check it out big guy lol I am out of emmisions  tags from the valve covers  and I don't do meds  :^

[luvrbus]

I must be really bored. Did a data dive into the CA DMV vehicle records and put this report together. Interesting, so worthwhile, at least to me. 

Don you cannot replace the engine in the older buses without Carb destroying the the take out FWIW it is the same for any antuqie even boats,There are still 2 strokes in boats in CA and they are still giving grants to replace those.I have a ? why do they track diesel engines in CA 
   


This is current as of Jan 1, 2020
Heavy duty vehicles registered

CALIFORNIA Heavy Vehicle Total1,041,412

Tables below.
One shows total heavy diesel by make, 2007 and older.
The other shows total heavy diesel by all years.


Main point was to show how few our old buses are of the total. I'll take any bet that CARB has zero interest to target us directly or indirectly. We really are viewed as antiques at this point.

[Iceni John]

I must be really bored. Did a data dive into the CA DMV vehicle records and put this report together. Interesting, so worthwhile, at least to me.


This is current as of Jan 1, 2020
Heavy duty vehicles registered

CALIFORNIA Heavy Vehicle Total1,041,412

Tables below.
One shows total heavy diesel by make, 2007 and older.
The other shows total heavy diesel by all years.


Main point was to show how few our old buses are of the total. I'll take any bet that CARB has zero interest to target us directly or indirectly. We really are viewed as antiques at this point.

Are the totals in the first table for commercial or for privately-owned vehicles, or for both?   Just in the Crown Coach Junkies group I think there's more than 21 preserved or converted Crown buses in CA, and there are probably other Crowns in CA owned by non-CCJ members.   Some CCJ folk have a lot more than just one bus!   And that doesn't include all the preserved Crown fire trucks whose owners have a separate group.

Just wondering.

John

[s2mikon]

They may be hiding them with out of state registrations. I would.

[luvrbus]

They may be hiding them with out of state registrations. I would.

I doubt that people in CA are asked to report vehilces if they notice the same vehicles driving day to day with out of state license plates,just the way it is there 

[Dave5Cs]

Check it out big guy lol I am out of emissions  tags from the valve covers  and I don't do meds  :^

California does not do Smog checks on Private coaches that are older than 1987 diesels so not worried. Soon we won't be registered there anyway. Missouri doesn't care in Waynesville and a lot of other state so who knows, LOL

[windtrader]

Just wondering.

John

From reviewing the stats, I'm thinking quite a few old buses are assigned as UNK, primarily because the clerks at DMV gave up or did not try hard to find the correct code for some oddball make when it was entered into the system; something like that.

I think this database is for current registrations and we know many buses sit more than on the road. But whether it is 10 to 100, the numbers are invisible in the grand scheme. It would have much more interesting to see the category of older than 2007 units, like pre 2000. the numbers must really plummet.


@Dave - right. if anything related to further restrictions on our old buses, more will just disappear from CA and some other lucky state will pick up a few coins for adding it to their DMV roles.

[richard5933]

Regarding the generator ban, apparently it doesn't include diesel generators. Not sure if this was discussed much in this thread, but it seems appropriate to the conversation. Seems like what I just read shows that it is for spark ignition engines 25 hp or less.

[windtrader]

Regarding the generator ban, apparently, it doesn't include diesel generators. Not sure if this was discussed much in this thread, but it seems appropriate to the conversation. Seems like what I just read shows that it is for spark ignition engines 25 hp or less.

I've not followed that specific CARB attack but it follows where they are heading - ban all ICE gas engines on everything. The larger house generators are less affected as they are running on natural gas or diesel, not regular gas.

It is one thing to use batteries to run a mower or blower but can't run for days.

What is the product replacement strategy to fill that need? The new crop of battery-powered energy generators are not built to run for long.


UPDATE: Quick scan of the specific bill in the CA legislatureis what is stated above, just continuing the push to get all portable gas engines gone.


https://leginfo.legislature.ca.gov/faces/billNavClient.xhtml?bill_id=202120220AB1346


They do make the assertion that alternative battery powered solutions are viable. Not sure about that. And why all the hoopla now, it was introduced two months ago.


But let's all stand and clap for PV panels and lithium house batteries - SILENCE! LOL

[s2mikon]

This is why voting is so important. I voted with my feet over 2 decades ago. I made the right choice.

[luvrbus]

California does not do Smog checks on Private coaches that are older than 1987 diesels so not worried. Soon we won't be registered there anyway. Missouri doesn't care in Waynesville and a lot of other state so who knows, LOL

No one said anything about testing ,all I know for a fact is you cannot register a 2 stroke bus conversion from another state with out the emission year standard plaque on the engine.There is a young lady in Needles her dad passed away and she brought the 4106 in from New Mexico and cannot register it in CA till she installs CA camshafts and injectors so the bus has been sitting for over a year.It is a joke she has good running clean burning 6v92TA engine in the 4106