Do you carry a spare tire?

[kyle4501]

The reason Torque specs are for clean, dry threads is because it is the most consistent & predictable way to achieve the required clamping force.

Lubrication creates inconsistent results - SO - if you use lubrication and don't reduce the torque, you run the risk of stretching the studs and crushing the ball seat in the stud piloted wheel.

There is a reason wheel nut chamfer gauges exist . . . .
I have seen wheels that were loose, but the nuts were tight. . . .

[chessie4905]

Gumpy, check the Euclid wheel attaching parts catalog. All of their studs are grade 8. They list the nuts as "thoroughly hardened" so they probably less, maybe a grade 5 or 6. Maybe MCI's and Eagles use hardware grade fasteners to save money.;-)

[luvrbus]

Gumpy, check the Euclid wheel attaching parts catalog. All of their studs are grade 8. They list the nuts as "thoroughly hardened" so they probably less, maybe a grade 5 or 6. Maybe MCI's and Eagles use hardware grade fasteners to save money.;-)

Makes no difference grade 8 bolts rust because they are made from medium carbon alloy steel and carbon steel rusts ask any Eagle owner  

[DoubleEagle]

I would say that if you run in salty conditions you need some Never-Seize of the appropriate amount. I used to cut the Never-Seize with gear oil 50-50 for use on dump trucks that were hauling road salt year-round. Not only was it used on the studs, it was used where the wheel contacted the drum because the rust could weld the wheel on. It would take a lot of whacking with a twenty pound sledge to break the wheel loose if we did not use it. At the other extreme, if you use too much Never-Seize on a thread that is not exposed to salt, a strong impact wrench can screw the nut down until the class 8 bolt snaps. For normal conditions, it is probably best to not use lube if you expect to get an accurate torque setting, but don't leave them undisturbed for years. The tire jockey's that torque away to the max quite often forget that aluminum wheels can't handle the torque that a steel wheel can, especially for the stud-centered wheels that can crack between the studs.

[chessie4905]

I'd swear that the salt they use in Pa. could cause the best stainless steel to rust. Several years ago I built up a T tag dump truck and added dual wheels with brand new studs and plated new lug nuts. Didn't get truck cleaned up from hauling coal one winter till late summer. That salt rusted lug nuts through plating and had to clean and redetail studs, nuts and frame. That stuff is wicked. Lots of issues with Semis with rust jacking off brake lining off shoes. They have now developed special coatings to help avoid problems, including lug nuts.

[TomC]

I just put 8 new tires on the back of my truck. The truck has been sitting and also being converted. The old tires were 18 years old. With Neverseize on all the nuts and bolts (I have Budd type two piece ball centering), none of the 80 got stuck. I made sure the threads were re coated again when they put the new tires on. Good Luck, TomC

[B_K]

I just put 8 new tires on the back of my truck. The truck has been sitting and also being converted. The old tires were 18 years old. With Neverseize on all the nuts and bolts (I have Budd type two piece ball centering), none of the 80 got stuck. I made sure the threads were re coated again when they put the new tires on. Good Luck, TomC

Umm with duals on each hub wouldn't that only be 40?
  BK 

[luvrbus]

I disagree with the the dry torque method being the most accurate and consistent way to torque a bolt ,if that was the case DD,Cat and Cummins got wrong from the beginning.Tightening aluminum wheels with steel nuts just eats the sockets up on a aluminum wheels it does on a steel wheel too with out a little lube,the hub centered wheels call for lube on the stud, nut and washer fwiw.BK inner nuts also on TomC's truck it is tandem too with the front it should be 100  

[bevans6]

Umm with duals on each hub wouldn't that only be 40?
  BK 

Budd wheels so a cone (inner) and a nut per position, total 20 per wheel.

Brian

[Gary Hatt - Publisher BCM]

I would say that if you run in salty conditions you need some Never-Seize of the appropriate amount.

Regarding using Never-Seize on your lug nuts, there is a separate thread for that which you all may be interested in.  If you have comments regarding putting this messy stuff on your lug nuts,  please reply to the appropriate thread. :-) 

http://www.busconversions.com/bbs/index.php?topic=3536.0

[gg04]

There's currently only one manufacturer of a totally rust proof stainless steel, and wholesale price is just over $20. per ounce. rdw

[gumpy]

Regarding using Never-Seize on your lug nuts, there is a separate thread for that which you all may be interested in.  If you have comments regarding putting this messy stuff on your lug nuts,  please reply to the appropriate thread. :-) 

http://www.busconversions.com/bbs/index.php?topic=3536.0

Drifting along with the tumbling tumble-thread! 

[DoubleEagle]

I'd swear that the salt they use in Pa. could cause the best stainless steel to rust. Several years ago I built up a T tag dump truck and added dual wheels with brand new studs and plated new lug nuts. Didn't get truck cleaned up from hauling coal one winter till late summer. That salt rusted lug nuts through plating and had to clean and redetail studs, nuts and frame. That stuff is wicked. Lots of issues with Semis with rust jacking off brake lining off shoes. They have now developed special coatings to help avoid problems, including lug nuts.

The company I got my salt from was International Salt Co. in PA, and my trucks and loaders and conveyor belts were in it year round. That's why I bought 6-8 lb. cans of Never-Sieze. They even sold it in 55 Gal. barrels, but that was thousands of dollars.

[luvrbus]

The company I got my salt from was International Salt Co. in PA, and my trucks and loaders and conveyor belts were in it year round. That's why I bought 6-8 lb. cans of Never-Sieze. They even sold it in 55 Gal. barrels, but that was thousands of dollars.

Walter I saw a drum at Graingers it was only $17,750.00 plus tax 

[gumpy]

Walter I saw a drum at Graingers it was only $17,750.00 plus tax 

Yeah, but you have to remember, a little bit goes on FOREVER!!!