The EMP proof Bus

[Ed Hackenbruch]

Another problem will be getting around all of the dead and abandoned cars, trucks, buses and motorhomes that are blocking the roads.

[oldmansax]

NASA has said there is a 100% chance of a major solar flare event in the next 11 years..... something to do with  the solar activity cycles on the sun. Their predictions are that there will be significant disruptions to the electrical grid and/or electronics in general. There was an event similar to this in the early 1900s (I think?)  that fried most of the electrical grid. It was not a big deal then because not many folks had electricity anyway. The damage would depend on how big the event, time of year, what part of the earth was facing the sun, etc.

This information coupled with the fact that the largest transformers used in the grid are no longer made in the USA and have a 2+ year lead time is enough to concern me. Also, I, like lots of other people, don't believe that our government, no matter who is running it at the time, is always honest with what they know. Some of the local information says those of us involved in public safety should not alarm the public because it may cause panic.

Actually, panic is one of the things I am very good at!  Also, I prefer to panic at my convenience and not when someone else says it's okay! 

I'm not sure such an event would turn the US into a barren wasteland populated by wild hordes of biker-zombies intent on rapine & pillaging, BUT I do think we could see some localized disruptions in services.

Should any of this happen, I would like to have the option to go visit my relatives in another unaffected region.......

Or maybe BK in TN... I always liked TN.....

Of maybe Clifford..... I need the Jakes fixed anyhow!   

TOM

[buswarrior]

I don't have to do a thing to prepare.

I'm just going to take yours.

But, I won't be alone, my friends will be with me.

Hope you're prepared to defend yourself, and your stuff, from all 4 directions, at the same time.

Some of my friends will be a little simple, and hungry.

They know what the costs of failing are.

We won't be failing, however, because you are too civilized to do what needs to be done.

Sadly, you will have to violate the deepest of your values in order to survive.

Unfortunately, even if you change your mind as conditions deteriorate, the hardware and training necessary have been left out of the equation.

And then, once forced into it, what man will be able to look at himself in the mirror again, now that he has joined the very animals he professed to abhor, and in full sight and participation of his loved ones?

And, stand before your God after that?


You've already told us. Who else in your neighbourhood knows what emergency preparedness you have?

oh dear...

This is not a game to be entered lightly.

happy coaching!
buswarrior

[uncle ned]

Just think how far some of us with old buses with 140 to 200 gal. of fuel can go to gather for protection.

I might not make it to Clifford's but can make it to BK's.
Might be better if we met in the App. mnts. I hear that they are some hidden Militia operating in them any way.

uncle Ned

PS they will have plenty of spring water to drink. I don't think lost of electric will bother the making of it.

[Lin]

What if the EMP is part of a series of disasters?  A GRB could also happen at any time.  Is there anything we can do to protect a bus from a GRB and an EMP at the same time?  If, at the same time, we were to have an LAI I am not sure what the best way to cope is.  It happened before and no doubt will happen again; ask a dinosaur.  I also once read a story about it raining for 40 days and nights straight.  Would I be better off with air or electric wipers?

I would seem to me that these types of events would give lots of people the opportunity to go to Heaven.  That's what we all want, right?  Do buses break down in Heaven or are they all slick, new, and eternally under warranty? Will I need propane in Heaven or should I go all electric?  We can't conceive of a Heaven without buses, could we?

[chev49]

think u may have enough propane for eternity 

[Lee Bradley]

NASA has said there is a 100% chance of a major solar flare event in the next 11 years..... something to do with  the solar activity cycles on the sun. Their predictions are that there will be significant disruptions to the electrical grid and/or electronics in general. There was an event similar to this in the early 1900s (I think?)  that fried most of the electrical grid. It was not a big deal then because not many folks had electricity anyway. The damage would depend on how big the event, time of year, what part of the earth was facing the sun, etc.

This information coupled with the fact that the largest transformers used in the grid are no longer made in the USA and have a 2+ year lead time is enough to concern me. Also, I, like lots of other people, don't believe that our government, no matter who is running it at the time, is always honest with what they know. Some of the local information says those of us involved in public safety should not alarm the public because it may cause panic.

Actually, panic is one of the things I am very good at!  Also, I prefer to panic at my convenience and not when someone else says it's okay! 

I'm not sure such an event would turn the US into a barren wasteland populated by wild hordes of biker-zombies intent on rapine & pillaging, BUT I do think we could see some localized disruptions in services.

Should any of this happen, I would like to have the option to go visit my relatives in another unaffected region.......

Or maybe BK in TN... I always liked TN.....

Of maybe Clifford..... I need the Jakes fixed anyhow!   

TOM

Tom the 1900s event you mentioned may have been the 1859 event but never the less...

The last solar maximum was in 2000. The next solar maximum is currently predicted to occur in February 2013 and to be one of the weakest cycles since 1928.
The unreliability of solar maxima predictions is demonstrated in that NASA had previously predicted the solar maximum for 2010/2011 and possibly to occur as late as 2012. Previously, on March 10, 2006, NASA researchers had announced that the next solar maximum would be the strongest since the historic maximum in 1859 in which the northern lights could be seen as far south as Rome, approximately 42° north of the equator,  by 2011, this appeared to be incorrect. In fact, the solar maximum will be a fairly weak one.

[artvonne]

  

  Tom. You are correct about the transformers. The event your talking about occurred over sept 1-2 1859. It was a CME. The nuke thing over Kansas is postulated to create an EMP many, many times more powerful. The ones postulating this are nuclear physicists, the kind of people who knew how to build the bomb in 1945, and who predicted its detonation would create an EMP. Of which in both cases they were proven accurate. The people who believe those guys dont have a clue what they are talking about are simply foolish.

  Lee. I dont believe anyone will ever be able to predict what the Sun is or is not going to do at such and such period in anyones lifetime. We cant even give good weather predictions from down here on Earth. NASA still is unable to admit gravitational pull of the planets has any bearing on sunspots, or that the moon and planets have any effect on earthquakes.

  Belfert. Your not going to get fuel unless you can pump some out of another vehicle or gas station with your own equipment. I would suggest pumping BW's tank empty first. Just sayin. But dont you have an ECM controlled engine and transmission? You wont have to worry about fuel, it wont go anywhere with a blown computer.

  Ed. I think it would be wise to stay to back roads, stay away from cities and towns, and dont stop for anything or anybody. Be prepared to push cars out of your path, etc.. But IIRC, dont you have a computer controlled transmission too? Your not going anywhere either.

  Uncle Ned. Might be wise not to gather. If your the only guy with a Bus that runs you will be a target. Im preparing my home to live in. The Bus questions are only to allow me to help make getting home possible.

 
 

 

 

[Brassman]

Don't know about a bus, but this thread sure seems to be EMP proof. 

[artvonne]

I don't have to do a thing to prepare.

I'm just going to take yours.

And then, once forced into it, what man will be able to look at himself in the mirror again, now that he has joined the very animals he professed to abhor, and in full sight and participation of his loved ones?

And, stand before your God after that?


You've already told us. Who else in your neighbourhood knows what emergency preparedness you have?

happy coaching!
buswarrior

  I am not an animal, nor do I abhor them. I am prepared to act if need be and I will protect if need be. I have no real compassion for a thief, and I will not fear God over the decision the thief made to enter my domain to harm me or the people I'm sworn to protect. I may not be able to take all four guys, but I can take a few of them out before they get me, they will have to decide if its worth it. I'm not too concerned about the people living around me. I'm more concerned about the people in town or being somewhere else and trying to get home.

[gus]

I'm happy that so many people have a lot of spare time on their hands!!

[Uglydog56]

1. If your piece of electronic equipment is deenergized when the pulse hits, will it survive?  ie if I had a spare solar controller and inverter squirreled away, could I just replace the dead one?

2.  What does it do to your battery bank?

3.  What does it do to your starter and other electric motors?  Do they have to be running to suffer damage, or are they not affected?

I couldn't find satisfactory answers in my admittedly brief searches.

[Ed Hackenbruch]

Nope, no computer on my tranny.   I think that the only way anybody will get around is by horse or bicycle.

[oldmansax]

I don't have to do a thing to prepare.

I'm just going to take yours.

But, I won't be alone, my friends will be with me.

Hope you're prepared to defend yourself, and your stuff, from all 4 directions, at the same time.

Some of my friends will be a little simple, and hungry.

They know what the costs of failing are.

We won't be failing, however, because you are too civilized to do what needs to be done.

Sadly, you will have to violate the deepest of your values in order to survive.

Unfortunately, even if you change your mind as conditions deteriorate, the hardware and training necessary have been left out of the equation.

And then, once forced into it, what man will be able to look at himself in the mirror again, now that he has joined the very animals he professed to abhor, and in full sight and participation of his loved ones?

And, stand before your God after that?


You've already told us. Who else in your neighbourhood knows what emergency preparedness you have?

oh dear...

This is not a game to be entered lightly.

happy coaching!
buswarrior

I can't answer most of that without violating OPSEC  further than I like.

A few thoughts, though.

Those who decide to take things by force need to be prepared to take casualties.

There are some places that cannot effectively be attacked on all four sides. Have you ever been to Afghanistan?

You only know where you think I am, not where I am or where I may be.

Killing is not new to some.

Hardware & equipment is what this thread was started about.

I will face God when the time comes but I think killing thieves & murderers will be way down on the list of things to be dealt with.

I don't live in a neighborhood.

TOM

[belfert]

  Belfert. Your not going to get fuel unless you can pump some out of another vehicle or gas station with your own equipment. I would suggest pumping BW's tank empty first. Just sayin. But dont you have an ECM controlled engine and transmission? You wont have to worry about fuel, it wont go anywhere with a blown computer.

Yes, I know that none of my vehicles except my bicycle would run in the case of an EMP.  Unless I am out in the boonies should an EMP occur a running vehicle would probably be the least of my concerns at that point.

My comments about obtaining fuel were directed at those who have vehicles that would still be running after an EMP.