Another E bayer that thinks he has a PD4501 Scenic-Cruiser ....

[tekebird]

NAAAA, don;t think so......

the scenicruiszer although Iconic was frought with structural problems and initially very underpowered.....yup more so than the 4104 LOL

the 4104 didn;t see service on alot of main lines because it had more seats and greyhound spent untold Dollars advertising it's service.

Ca't count personal preference in a better bus debate

[tekebird]

Besides, we all have heard that the Eagle is the best bus around

[white-eagle]

Besides, we all have heard that the Eagle is the best bus around

Thank you!!  i was going to say something myself, but it was tooo entertaining to let you all keep debating.

[kyle4501]

RE:
NAAAA, don;t think so......
Everyone is entitled to their own opinion - even if it is wrong 


the scenicruiszer although Iconic was frought with structural problems and initially very underpowered.....yup more so than the 4104 LOL
What would you expect? The poor ole 4501's had to do ALL the work. Remember there were only 1001 of them & it was 20 years before enough other buses could be made that the 4501's could be retired. Seems like it took ~10 other buses to do the work of 1 PD4501. What other bus make survived as long in regular fleet service before being sold off? The MC9 was designed from the start as a 30 year / 3 million mile bus, but they didn't make it halfway before they were replaced.

Besides, what some would call 'structural problems' were actually opportunities for load carrying enhancement. How many other buses could carry 4 8V71's  plus a full load of passangers with luggage?


the 4104 didn;t see service on alot of main lines because it had more seats and greyhound spent untold Dollars advertising it's service.

Someone has been dreaming again. Ever stop to think why greyhound quit spending $$ advertising the 04? Maybe it the fact that NOTHING could compete with the PD4501 in the real world


Ca't count personal preference in a better bus debate

Personal preference is the ONLY thing that matters
My mind is made up, so don't try to confuse me with facts (real or made up).

[RJ]

The sad thing about the Scenics is that they marked "the beginning of the end" for GMC's bus building dominance.  Greyhound management was so frustrated over some of the initial problems Doug mentioned and GMC's reluctance to fix them that they bought this little bus company up in Winnipeg. . .

I don't think there's a busnut alive that wouldn't agree that the Scenic is one of the bus industry's, and, for that matter, pop culture's icons.  Similar, if you will, to the infamous RouteMaster Double Deckers in London.  I've seen it happen time and time again where a Scenic will pull up alongside an MC-9, and people will flock to ride the old cruiser rather than the 9.  This is an obvious tribute to the timelessness of the Scenic's design.

The Scenicruiser was an excellent coach for what it was designed to do - line-haul revenue service.  It's PR value alone virtually saved Greyhound's butt in the late '50s/early 60s, even though the venerable 4104s working invisibly alongside them actually carried more passengers.  (Simple numbers - there were thee times as many 4104s in the fleet compared to the Scenics.)  Such is the power of the Scenic that when you talk to anyone in their 40's and older, and you mention Greyhound bus, the immediate mental image conjured up is that of the PD4501.  It's also one of the reasons that coaches are often called Scenicruisers in "for sale" advertising - it's so ingrained into folks minds that it's a trigger that helps pull people into the ad.

Sadly, none of the coaches built since has had such a dramatic effect on "pop culture", and it will probably be a long time, if ever, that it will happen again.  Kudos to those who have taken the plunge to save as many of these examples of excellent industrial design as possible - especially those who keep them NOS/OEM.

FWIW & HTH. . .

[jackhartjr]

I like you Russ!

[niles500]

>>>>>>Sadly, none of the coaches built since has had such a dramatic effect on "pop culture", and it will probably be a long time, if ever, that it will happen again<<<<<

Russ - it may not be too long before the 'ole bus comes back into f(L)avor - what other form of transportation can be readily adapted to alternative fuel sources, easily retrofitted to entirely 'new' powerplants, and have enough room available to allow experimentation with revolutionary new technologies?

[FloridaCliff]

Russ,

Boy do you know how to CALM a group of scenic owners.   

And your right!

Cliff

[roadrunnertex]

Scenicruiser Service
Let me add to what what Russ has added to the subject.
I am a very lucky bus person as I have been around the Scenicruisers since 1954. I was able to see the 2nd Scenicruiser that Greyhound received new from GMC to (Florida Greyhound Lines) in St Petersburg,Florida.
My daddy back then was a Greyhound bus driver and I have been many miles with him back in the day's of Scenicruiser Service.
I can remember back many years ago on one of his trips out of Tallahassee,FL to St Petersburg,FL we had a full Scenicruiser and a PD-3751 Silverside behind us working the 2nd section for local pick up's along the route.
It was summer time the A/C quit on the Scenicruiser and my dad told the passengers that the old Silverside had a good working A/C and fell free to ride on that bus.
No one got off of the Scenicruiser to ride the Silverside even with out A/C folk's still wanted to ride on the Scenicruiser.
The Scenicruisers were a fine bus and thanks to some bus historians a few remain for show and tell.
Thanks for Going Greyhound and using our Scenicruiser Service!
jlv

[kyle4501]

Russ,
. . . . And your right!

Cliff

Cliff, I knew you would see the light & give up on your little fantasy. 

See, I told you so!     

King of coaches, har, har! that was a good 'un   

[FloridaCliff]

Cliff, I knew you would see the light & give up on your little fantasy. 

See, I told you so!     

King of coaches, har, har! that was a good 'un   

Now Kyle,

Since Russ had to make your point, You might want to use your previous suggestion to me to "Look up quality in the dictionary" and go a few pages back yourself and look up Humility.   

Also I beleive he said Your coach was a "pop icon", you know, like Brittany Spears, there was NO mention of King. 

Cliff

[RJ]

Cliff -

Oh, please don't drag the mighty Scenics thru the same mud hole that Miss Spears is wallowing in. . .

Reverently, they should stand alongside the Routemasters, the Spirit of St Louis, EMD F7s and the Space Shuttle.

I called them pop icons, Cliff. . . not "Pop Tarts"!!   

[kyle4501]

. . . . .go a few pages back yourself and look up Humility.   

Cliff

I did, & it said something about being reserved for those who don't own a PD4501. 

Since I own a PD4501, or two, I'm good to go. 


You should listen to Russ. He is providing sage advice. 

[jackhartjr]

Kyle said; Since I own a PD4501, or two, I'm good to go.

GGGUUURRRRRR

Or two he says!

Oh well!

By the way...this is what forums are about...keep it up boys!
Jack

[Chaz]

By the way...this is what forums are about...keep it up boys!

Actually, it sounds more like a grade school playground! 

By the way, Buffalo's still rule.
    Chaz