Series 60 Rebuild Parts Supply

[Glennman]

I'm in the market for a complete in-frame 12.7 Series 60 re-build kit. I do not want a bunch of foreign made parts, unless of course it is unavoidable. I was recently quoted $5800 from the local Freightliner outfit, claiming that parts are made in USA by Dimler (?). That kit included everything but the valve cover and pan gaskets.

I'm planning to start the process of removing the engine tomorrow, with removing the bumper and analyzing what all will be involved. I'm pretty sure at this point that I can slide the engine about 2/3 the way out without completely removing it and having enough room to perform the work. Of course, if I need to, I can rent a forklift to get it the rest of the way out, but my thinking is with the transmission hanging off the back, I can have the engine sticking out about 2/3 of the way, enough to pull the head. I would construct a support for the part sticking out so that the tranny end of the engine will still be on the bus rails, and the outside end will be sitting on my manufactured support.

I'm not sure I will be going that far with it just yet, except that I will be removing the bumper, as the bolts are all rusted etc. I don't like the idea of having things rusted in place. If I was to need work done while travelling, it would cost a fortune to have a truck repair outfit have to mess with rusted parts just to gain access.

At this point though, I do want to purchase the entire kit so if I do end up pulling the engine, removing the head, or what have you, I will have the parts on hand in case I need to go further. So, I am hoping you guys can advise where the best place is to get parts. Thanks!

[Van]

Clifford!

[luvrbus]

I'm in the market for a complete in-frame 12.7 Series 60 re-build kit. I do not want a bunch of foreign made parts, unless of course it is unavoidable. I was recently quoted $5800 from the local Freightliner outfit, claiming that parts are made in USA by Dimler (?). That kit included everything but the valve cover and pan gaskets.

The dealer is about 2 grand to much www.dieseldash.com ,that is a online store from Kirby that owns Stewart and Stevenson and United Detroit, their kit will come all new head bolts even thermostats for around 4k. Finding parts that are made offshore is a challenge,there is a lot of junk out there. F/P at one time was good now their liner sets are made in India.Detroit had  a recall of liners they had made in China ,
I am caught in that mess it has taken months for warranty. Williams where I bought the OEM sets after a month or so passed me off to Daimler ,after a dealing with  Daimler  for 2 months they decided it was on MTU  it is finally coming to a close now. Just watch out for re-box liners with the outfits name on those like A/G kit they are not good..The series 60 is owned by MTU which is BMW now.
I would not order till you tear the engine down because you never know if the center bore (Liner holes) have been redone or need to be redone, you are probably going to need a good automotive type machine shop if you plan on doing it right and they are not cheap any longer they want 2 G's to rebuild a head for the 8V92

[Jim Blackwood]

You need to have a top notch Diesel engine head shop lined up before you start anything. I understand that is the most crucial part of any S60 rebuild and should be left to those who know exactly what they are doing. You should also be prepared to deal with the bearings on the bull gear and complete bull gear replacement if necessary. (Have you checked the end play?) The rest of it I think is fairly conventional.

Jim

[luvrbus]

You need to have a top notch Diesel engine head shop lined up before you start anything. I understand that is the most crucial part of any S60 rebuild and should be left to those who know exactly what they are doing. You should also be prepared to deal with the bearings on the bull gear and complete bull gear replacement if necessary. (Have you checked the end play?) The rest of it I think is fairly conventional.

Jim

Yep the head,counter bores(liners are bad about sinking in the block) and replace the bull gear bearing even if it checks good and you will be buying some expensive tools

[lvmci]

The Detroit, Daimlar, WWWilliams, MTU and BMW mess building engine parts that disintegrate inside a rebuilt engine, ( in our case within the first hour of running the rack ) discovering their problem, getting sued, then in a colossal mistake, restocking those same parts for sale, they have destroyed many engines. Check and verify their parts are not from this manufacturer...

[Glennman]

The Detroit, Daimlar, WWWilliams, MTU and BMW mess building engine parts that disintegrate inside a rebuilt engine, ( in our case within the first hour of running the rack ) discovering their problem, getting sued, then in a colossal mistake, restocking those same parts for sale, they have destroyed many engines. Check and verify their parts are not from this manufacturer...

Are you saying that Detroit, Daimlar, WWWiliams, MYU and BMW are all junk?

Who's left?

BTW, I removed the bumper today. A lot of rusted bolts, but they all came out ok after heating them with a torch. The aluminum channel that is between the bumper and the frame (it curves around the crank pulley and has the door latches on it) was extremely disintegrated. Also, the bolts that fasten the crank pulley and the harmonic balancer (they look like castle bolts) are all rusty. I was hoping to replace the balancer, but now I'm afraid those bolts will not come out. Just more to worry about! Maybe I should leave well enough alone!

[luvrbus]

Detroit had a bad bunch of liners when they made the shift to China for manufacturing, it took a bite. Some how I got  2 sets that were recalled ,Williams just sells the parts that are shipped to them  so I don't blame Williams, You should be ok on liners for the 60 series now, they do have another recall on liners for DD13 and DD15 but they are replacing those free of charge if the engine is still under warranty I got the letter Friday. Interstate / McBee makes liner kits for the series 60 made in America .Detroit parts are warrantied for 1 year and 90 days labor,the after market stuff is warrantied  for 2 years but you will never collect on those warranties BTDT