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luvrbus · February 20, 2023, 05:17:37 PM

It is a honor to me to have Vets as close friends. Some of my friends came home from Vietnam standing and some were shipped home in cargo planes.Looks like we may be headed for another Vietnam if we are not careful with today's politian's in DC,all to protect a guy our government put in control in 2014 makes no sense,118 billion dollars in 1 year and still going on

Tedsoldbus · February 21, 2023, 07:20:45 AM

There has been a new approach that is growing. Even when I retired in 2005 it was in the wind. That trend is growing exponentially. It goes something like

"Never send a Man to do a Missile's job.".

You can't take and hold ground that way, but with drones and satellite imagery, it is a new world.
And I got to fly when you had a fighting chance. Anti air has become very very lethal.

Glad that now I just have to "out fly" idiots when I am driving my bus. Pretty good chance a guy can live through that.

chessie4905 · February 21, 2023, 07:22:01 AM

Gotta keep up revenue to our defense companies from govt. coffers. Those companies need steady revenue source to stay in business. Same reason we bought aircraft from several companies during WW2 and after to keep them in business.

Tedsoldbus · February 21, 2023, 08:43:41 AM

Chessie is right. They still do it. When the F-16 and F-18 and even the Abrams M1 tank got "awarded", the "losers" got to build part of it to stay in business. My friend in procurement says it is less about not wanting a contractor to get a monopoly that makes all others fold so they can then "rape" us for the next invention.
It is about the fact all of those companies have smart guys and next time THEY might have the best toy.
They win that contract, but again, don't get to build all of it. More of a "maintain the inventiveness" than spread the wealth. Makes sense I guess.

Van · February 21, 2023, 08:49:18 AM

luvrbus · February 21, 2023, 09:43:52 AM

Quote from: Tedsoldbus on February 21, 2023, 08:43:41 AM
Chessie is right. They still do it. When the F-16 and F-18 and even the Abrams M1 tank got "awarded", the "losers" got to build part of it to stay in business. My friend in procurement says it is less about not wanting a contractor to get a monopoly that makes all others fold so they can then "rape" us for the next invention.
It is about the fact all of those companies have smart guys and next time THEY might have the best toy.
They win that contract, but again, don't get to build all of it. More of a "maintain the inventiveness" than spread the wealth. Makes sense I guess.

They waste a lot of money too if the depts of all the military branches don't spend their budget that part gets taken away on the next budget ,what happens is they dump spare parts in the ocean to keep their budgets, that has been going on years.Then the prices they pay is out of this world

Tedsoldbus · February 21, 2023, 12:15:28 PM

Well not exactly. I was in supply for 4 of my 25 years. They held back requested repair parts money until September first. Then we got most of what we asked for all at once.
I said WHY?
Answer was they hold back in case of a major conflict. They appropriate the money expecting Peace on Earth. When things go to heck in, oh say, the Sudan, the Navy gets plussed up, the Air Force gets 2 more satellites, and things needed to transport supplies there get all the fuel they need and, and , and. So if a tank is broken or a jet is grounded for parts stateside. They wait. It is congresses tool of reallocating money if suddenly needed without having to try to get "new" money on the floor of Congress.
I heard my procurement buddy who had been doing it 23 years tell me that.
I said "Oh". They don't tell us that in boot camp. They don't tell the maintenance guys why they can't get parts.
But you are a little correct. When September hits, if your supply guy does not hit the get me this button and he has obligated ALL of his budget, they are happy to give it to another base or snatch it back for whatever they want. And they will short him that amount the next year.
But I'd have to see the Navy throw repair parts overboard to believe it.

luvrbus · February 21, 2023, 12:29:26 PM

Quote from: Tedsoldbus on February 21, 2023, 12:15:28 PM
Well not exactly. I was in supply for 4 of my 25 years. They held back requested repair parts money until September first. Then we got most of what we asked for all at once.
I said WHY?
Answer was they hold back in case of a major conflict. They appropriate the money expecting Peace on Earth. When things go to heck in, oh say, the Sudan, the Navy gets plussed up, the Air Force gets 2 more satellites, and things needed to transport supplies there get all the fuel they need and, and , and. So if a tank is broken or a jet is grounded for parts stateside. They wait. It is congresses tool of reallocating money if suddenly needed without having to try to get "new" money on the floor of Congress.
I heard my procurement buddy who had been doing it 23 years tell me that.
I said "Oh". They don't tell us that in boot camp. They don't tell the maintenance guys why they can't get parts.
But you are a little correct. When September hits, if your supply guy does not hit the get me this button and he has obligated ALL of his budget, they are happy to give it to another base or snatch it back for whatever they want. And they will short him that amount the next year.
But I'd have to see the Navy throw repair parts overboard to believe it.

My son was in the Navy and showed me some photos of shafts,bearing,and electric motors being tossed before docking,I have a grandson that is a Chief Petty Officer says it still happens.

Tedsoldbus · February 21, 2023, 12:55:16 PM

When then clearly it does! I know on one Army base they got caught hiding paper products so they got full budget on that the next year, but never heard of throwing away repair parts. They are already purchased? Maybe if not installed on a machine, they are excess? So toss them in the ocean so you don't lose budget money for the new ones the next year...?
I believe it now. And didn't even see it. You don't want to know how much bombs cost that get pickled into the ocean when a jet returns to a carrier without having dropped them on bad guys. You never see footage of a jet coming back with bombs on the wings. Too many things can go wrong coming aboard ship with those.
Lots of dead fish...

luvrbus · February 21, 2023, 01:45:43 PM

My grandson is linguist of 5 languages he told me sometimes they dump all their electronic equipment before leaving a surveillance mission costing 100's of thousands of dollars, equipment so sensitive you can hear a mouse pissing on a cotton ball 50 miles away. He is mostly into teaching now for the last five years,he just got transferred to San Antonio and I cannot picture a Navy base in San Antonio Tx

Jim Blackwood · February 22, 2023, 10:52:14 AM

The Rio Grande runs through San Antonio, might need some fresh water Navy for that one maybe?

luvrbus · February 22, 2023, 11:10:11 AM

Quote from: Jim Blackwood on February 22, 2023, 10:52:14 AM
The Rio Grande runs through San Antonio, might need some fresh water Navy for that one maybe?

Wrong river Jim,the San Antonio River flows through San Antonio, there are several major breweries on that river I would visit in my younger days