Question about removing over the road Heat System
 

Question about removing over the road Heat System

Started by Sebulba, November 29, 2022, 06:30:39 AM

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Sebulba

Hello all,

I am in Albuquerque for about 10 days and am thinking about removing some of the heavier components to the over the road heating system since the scrap prices here are better than in Santa Fe.

I understand that when I remove that giant heat exchanger I just cap off the pipe ends.  Here is my question:  If I remove the heat exchanger and don't get to capping off the pipes for some unknown unexpected reason.  Can I drive it as long as I don't open the valves in the engine bay?

I think that would be fine, but wanted to double check if my understanding is right.

Thanks a million.

Seb
Back to the U.S. after 8 years in Europe.  
Bought a 1997 MCI 102D3 with Allison B500 on November 17, 2021 in Syracuse, NY.  Commenced living it that day and  drove it to Florida and New Mexico.  Converting as we go.  https://basicsuds.com

chessie4905

Yes, keep valves closed. Save antifreeze for engine add.
GMC h8h 649#028 (4905)
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luvrbus

I don't think there are valves on Espar heat ,if you plug the lines and don't tie the defroster back in you are not going to have a defroster when you need it to melt the snow in Albuquerque lol that is a spring or summer time job,that exchanger doesn't weigh much anyways, and you will miss it in cold weather driving 
Life is short drink the good wine first

chessie4905

GMC h8h 649#028 (4905)
Pennsylvania-central

Van

If those valves don't close completely you will be faced with a constant low coolant situation. some times those valves are either stuck open/closed regardless whether the wheel/lever moves freely, you won't know till you cut a line loose. Seems like the wrong time of the year to be doing this whether it works or not in a 10 day time frame. You must be desperate for more storage space or fuel $$ lol!
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Sebulba

Quote from: chessie4905 on November 29, 2022, 07:38:37 AM
Yes, keep valves closed. Save antifreeze for engine add.

Yup, I figured I'd try to capture ad much of the coolant as possible.

Thanks for the confirmation.

Seb
Back to the U.S. after 8 years in Europe.  
Bought a 1997 MCI 102D3 with Allison B500 on November 17, 2021 in Syracuse, NY.  Commenced living it that day and  drove it to Florida and New Mexico.  Converting as we go.  https://basicsuds.com

Sebulba

Quote from: Van on November 29, 2022, 09:53:27 AM
If those valves don't close completely you will be faced with a constant low coolant situation. some times those valves are either stuck open/closed regardless whether the wheel/lever moves freely, you won't know till you cut a line loose. Seems like the wrong time of the year to be doing this whether it works or not in a 10 day time frame. You must be desperate for more storage space or fuel $$ lol!

No, not desperate for either.  Just thought it was something I could do here.  Maybe I will wait to do it in Santa Fe where we will be parked for a few months to play it safer.

Thanks

Seb
Back to the U.S. after 8 years in Europe.  
Bought a 1997 MCI 102D3 with Allison B500 on November 17, 2021 in Syracuse, NY.  Commenced living it that day and  drove it to Florida and New Mexico.  Converting as we go.  https://basicsuds.com

luvrbus

Quote from: Sebulba on November 29, 2022, 12:22:47 PM
Yup, I figured I'd try to capture ad much of the coolant as possible.

Thanks for the confirmation.

Seb

I would not worry about reusing the coolant unless you have some background on what type or when it was change last, the series 60 is very touchy about coolant type and changing, 5 years is about the life span of antifreeze in a series 60 if it has been tested and more chemicals added
Life is short drink the good wine first

windtrader

need something to do? grab a buffer and start shining up the SS. That'll keep you busy and warm
Don F
1976 MCI/TMC MC-8 #1286
Fully converted
Bought 2017

Sebulba

Quote from: luvrbus on November 29, 2022, 01:10:06 PM


I would not worry about reusing the coolant unless you have some background on what type or when it was change last, the series 60 is very touchy about coolant type and changing, 5 years is about the life span of antifreeze in a series 60 if it has been tested and more chemicals added

Hmmm, ok I will just capture for "Environmental" purposes only.

Thanks

Seb
Back to the U.S. after 8 years in Europe.  
Bought a 1997 MCI 102D3 with Allison B500 on November 17, 2021 in Syracuse, NY.  Commenced living it that day and  drove it to Florida and New Mexico.  Converting as we go.  https://basicsuds.com

Sebulba

Quote from: windtrader on November 29, 2022, 06:18:05 PM
need something to do? grab a buffer and start shining up the SS. That'll keep you busy and warm

It sure isn't hat I have nothing to do.  I just work on what I can when I can. 

Seb
Back to the U.S. after 8 years in Europe.  
Bought a 1997 MCI 102D3 with Allison B500 on November 17, 2021 in Syracuse, NY.  Commenced living it that day and  drove it to Florida and New Mexico.  Converting as we go.  https://basicsuds.com

Sebulba

Hello All,

Since I have your attention here and many have already accomplished this task.  I remember that I should sweat copper caps on the lines that go to the heat exchanger.  Does anyone recall what size caps I should get.

And while I am on the subject, would a handheld propane torch be enough to sweat those, since they are so big?  I have sweated a lot 1/2 inch and up to maybe an inch copper but never bigger, so just trying to anticipate anything I might be missing. 

Thanks

Seb
Back to the U.S. after 8 years in Europe.  
Bought a 1997 MCI 102D3 with Allison B500 on November 17, 2021 in Syracuse, NY.  Commenced living it that day and  drove it to Florida and New Mexico.  Converting as we go.  https://basicsuds.com

luvrbus

If it is like most MCI those are HVAC size different from the standard pipe fittings, propane torches will work with Mapp gas.You can buy a torch they use on steak for 25 to 30 bucks they will heat the copper in a hurry @ 2500 degrees and work with small propane bottles, I carry one with me in the RV,Amazon has a selection of food torches
Life is short drink the good wine first

Sebulba

Quote from: luvrbus on November 29, 2022, 06:51:52 PM
If it is like most MCI those are HVAC size different from the standard pipe fittings, propane torches will work with Mapp gas.You can buy a torch they use on steak for 25 to 30 bucks they will heat the copper in a hurry @ 2500 degrees and work with small propane bottles, I carry one with me in the RV,Amazon has a selection of food torches

Oh brother, not pipe size but HVAC size.  I suppose if I get into the bay I can get a caliper on it and get the size and hopefully find the right size BEFORE tearing it apart.

So, I should use MAPP gas to get a little more heat, OK,

Thanks

Seb
Back to the U.S. after 8 years in Europe.  
Bought a 1997 MCI 102D3 with Allison B500 on November 17, 2021 in Syracuse, NY.  Commenced living it that day and  drove it to Florida and New Mexico.  Converting as we go.  https://basicsuds.com

Melbo

Not really that confusing.  Plumbing is ID (inside diameter) and HVAC is OD (outside diameter)  3/4 plumbing is 7/8 HVAC.  If you are in albuquerque I can get you the supply houses that will have what you need if you want.

Good luck and safe travels

Melbo
If it won't go FORCE it ---- if it breaks it needed to be replaced anyway
Albuquerque, NM   MC8 L10 Cummins ZF