Hydrogen retro fit and semi retro fit diesel motors

[luvrbus]

Tax and spend (print money) never works sooner or later it catches up, me I hate being $97,000.00 in debt I had nothing to do with my grandkids don't stand a chance. Then it pisses me never owning my home because of the government's property taxes you just lease your property from the taxing authority     

[lvmci]

HYDROGEN ECONOMY
New Mexico is Bucking to Become a Hydrogen Power Player
November 24, 2022Add comment5

Several hydrogen and fuel-cell companies are eyeing New Mexico, which hopes to nab a chunk of federal funding to establish itself as a hub for the alternative fuel and related technologies.

Advocates for hydrogen fuel-cell cars and trucks have had to take the long view. In 1999, when what was then DaimlerChrysler had already spent $1 billion on the technology, and announced a goal of 100,000 fuel-cell cars on the road by 2006, company hydrogen guru Ferdinand Panik said of his Necar 4, "This car is really in the form that we could put in customer hands."
It didn't happen, and the program never went beyond the testing stage. More recently, automakers including Toyota, Honda, and Hyundai have all introduced commercial fuel-cell cars, but they've mostly been confined to small production programs in a niche around Los Angeles, the only place in the United States with a significant hydrogen fueling infrastructure.

It's possible, though, that hydrogen is on the move again, and this time the focus is not on passenger cars, but rather on transportation that doesn't play well with batteries—long-distance trucking, container shipping, and even aircraft. It's happening somewhat slowly, though there was $2 billion in hydrogen-based venture capital activity globally in 2021, and a much bigger number anticipated for 2022.

Bosch is spending $200 million to refit a South Carolina plant to supply fuel cells for heavy-duty electric trucks starting in 2026. The Port of Long Beach is planning to mostly use hydrogen-powered vehicles by 2035.

What's not listed in this article is the 11 protypes GM built...

[chessie4905]

Grabbing a chunk of federal funding is where it's at.

[freds]

There's a new term out there called "Gold hydrogen". Basically they take an abandoned oil well and pump microbes and nutrients into it which then burp hydrogen and Co2...

[Jim Blackwood]

CO2 as in Carbon?
Mm... carbon bad...?

Jim

[windtrader]

Theories - conspiracies from government to secret global elite to sovereigns and plenty of special interests. Listen up. Generally, not falling for conspiracies, I am coming around to the possiblity that some ideas, inventions, and other specialized knowledge is kept under lock and key, and kept from the public and business world to make dollars.
A YouTube video altered my perspective on the ability and capabilty of government to control sensitive information. An amateur scientist wanted to see if an egg dropped from space could survive untracked.

So began a multi-year journey to learn enough science to launch a baloon to space, release a payload, and direct it to a foam mat. Seems so innocent but swap an egg for a bomb and a mat for a building and well...
Each attempt revealed new complexities and the search for solutions started hitting walls. turns out fewer and fewer people know answer to such esoteric situations and they are all bound and tied to various levels of secrecy and confideniality.

He did get enough answers to get his egg to land uncracked but it was a real wake up call that secrets do exist and kept up control. Whether the actual secret merits national or global security or humankind or extinction is not being debated, just the mechanisms and powers do exist.
Hydrogen, free energy from rocks, water, or whatever. Who knows how many pollution free energy sources exist that are kept secret for global power leverage?

[chessie4905]

WOW! Tin foil hat?lol

[lvmci]

Toyota unveils hydrogen-powered pickup and SUV
Toyota thinks hydrogen could be an alternative to battery power
By Gary Gastelu | Fox News

The Japanese automaker sees a bright future for the fuel as an alternative to battery power in the future zero emissions automotive world and is developing vehicles with it on several fronts.

Along with the fuel cell-powered semi trucks it is currently testing in California, it also offers the Mirai in the state, which is the only one with anything resembling a public refueling network.

A fuel cell combines stored hydrogen with atmospheric oxygen to generate electricity through a chemical reaction. The system is lighter and can be refueled much quicker than a battery pack.

Toyota is also exploring the simple burning of hydrogen in an internal combustion engine, which emits water vapor instead of carbon dioxide...

Toyota's hydrogen-powered Corolla Cross burns the gas.

It has converted the 268 hp 1.6-liter three-cylinder turbocharged engine from the GR Corolla sports car with high-pressure hydrogen injectors and installed it into a Corolla ...

[lvmci]

Car and Driver
BMW Expands into Hydrogen Power with Fuel-Cell SUV Based on the X5
BMW's strong belief in hydrogen starts with the iX5, a low-volume hydrogen fuel-cell SUV that will begin testing next spring in select regions.

BY ERIC STAFFORDPUBLISHED: DEC 2, 2022

The BMW iX5 hydrogen fuel-cell SUV is now entering low-volume production and will begin testing in select regions next spring.
Based on the regular BMW X5, the iX5 is retrofitted with a fuel-cell stack, an electric motor and battery, and a new floor to fit its hydrogen tanks.
BMW believes both electric and hydrogen-powered vehicles are necessary to combat climate change, with the iX5 a potential precursor to future models.
Along with a growing number of automakers, BMW says it's committed to combatting global climate change and aims to be carbon neutral by 2050. Unlike many automakers, however, the German brand believes hydrogen fuel-cell vehicles will play a big role in reaching that goal...

[chessie4905]

Testing, exploring, maybe one of the manufacturers will come with a practical breakthrough in near future. The infrastructure is going to be the big issue.

[lvmci]

There isn't much difference between CNG, propane and Hydrogen delivery stations. In Las Vegas there is a Hydrogen filling station within the property of the City of LV equipment gas,diesel, cng, propane and Hydrogen station. Honda had given the City of  LV their small subcompact hydrogen combustion cars for the city employees to beta test...

[chessie4905]

If you need a fuel cell to burn hydrogen, a lot more elaborate than electric vehicles.
Here's  another fuel idea:
https://www.science.org/content/article/ammonia-renewable-fuel-made-sun-air-and-water-could-power-globe-without-carbon

[freds]

Toyota unveils hydrogen-powered pickup and SUV

A lot of car manufactures are crapping their pants with the lead that Tesla has over them in the EV transition.

There's a YouTube channel called "The Electric Viking" who talks about EV topic's and he points out that Toyota basically has their heads stuck in the sand.

A good friend who is also in a high tech industry was going to by a hydrogen powered Toyota vehicle bought a Tesla after I convinced him he was bonkers to even consider it! Ok I loaned him my Tesla for the weekend and he ended up buying a model X afterwards with my referral code.

Anyway only Tesla is making a profit selling EV's the rest of the car manufactures are loosing money or in the case of the chinese company BYD breaking even.

So they are all scrambling to compete with Tesla on something approaching an even playing field.

Not Toyota they have so much sunken cost into hydrogen development that Japan probably will be a very minor player in the auto market of the future.

So hey a couple of his videos to watch if you are interested:

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=2dFeJnzFGjk
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=if4gf6jiS8g

Ok in MHO hydrogen is a dead end for anything except rockets and steel production.

[windtrader]

@freds
You have a Tesla, right? So you have obvious bias but Tesla is far and away the big winner and has sufficient scale to compete with all legacy brands.

There are two things that makes Tesla the winner, it makes money! It had some extremely close calls but having not read the balance sheet, i suspect it is pretty healty unless his other ventures like Borinhg company, SpaceX, Starlonk, Neurlink, etc, are too big anchors on the balance sheet. I'm sure he'd save Tesla before some of the others.
Second is the charging network. I just watched two videos today. Both knucleheads buy Rivians and take road trips. One from LA to SF Bay area, along the I5.  They can not take advantage of the Tesla chargers so use other kinds, none of which seem to work at all or rarely at high current. Even the CA road trip almost failed but he limped to his destination. The other guy was going from Ohio to Colorodo, something like that. His trip was si,ply stupid how close he came to running out of fjuice and ended up staying overnight in a $150 room because it was the only place he could plug in. Even that was so slow charger and wasn't even full in the morning.
You know better than most but I'd assume Elon is not letting his charger network work 50%. Do you have any insights to offer on the used Tesla market? I REALLY want a small EV truck but none yet - like a Ford Maverick but electric. Cybertruck may be a bit much. lol

[freds]

@freds
You have a Tesla, right? So you have obvious bias but Tesla is far and away the big winner and has sufficient scale to compete with all legacy brands.

There are two things that makes Tesla the winner, it makes money! It had some extremely close calls but having not read the balance sheet, i suspect it is pretty healty unless his other ventures like Borinhg company, SpaceX, Starlonk, Neurlink, etc, are too big anchors on the balance sheet. I'm sure he'd save Tesla before some of the others.

Second is the charging network. I just watched two videos today. Both knucleheads buy Rivians and take road trips. One from LA to SF Bay area, along the I5.  They can not take advantage of the Tesla chargers so use other kinds, none of which seem to work at all or rarely at high current. Even the CA road trip almost failed but he limped to his destination. The other guy was going from Ohio to Colorodo, something like that. His trip was si,ply stupid how close he came to running out of fjuice and ended up staying overnight in a $150 room because it was the only place he could plug in. Even that was so slow charger and wasn't even full in the morning.
You know better than most but I'd assume Elon is not letting his charger network work 50%. Do you have any insights to offer on the used Tesla market? I REALLY want a small EV truck but none yet - like a Ford Maverick but electric. Cybertruck may be a bit much. lol

Wow so many things to unpack in your post.

1. Tesla fan boy. Well I got to say duh I have a 2014 P85 that when I purchased it I said that it would be the last new car that I would buy.
2. Charging network. In 2014 interstate I-90 was not fully populated and I was taking my P85 to Wyoming to visit my cousin. After I left Spokane WA eastbound on I-90 I would basically park the car over night in a RV park with 50 AMP service then drive a few hours to another RV park to charge a couple hours before getting back on the road. So basically a very lackadaisical day of traveling where I might make 300 miles traveling.
3. Now a days your just tell the car where you want to go by pushing a button on the steering wheel and talking to the car to tell it where you want to go. It automatically flight plans the entire trip for you. I have had warnings during my trip (slow down to make your charging destination, change in charging location to weather conditions, your charging location is anticipated to be busy suggest you charge at X location). So hey very civilized with no muss, no fuss with my 2014 Tesla that has had it's software updated 25+ times. Software drives the world?
4. I do think that Tesla has succeed as they have focused on the hard technology parts and leveraged off the shelf automotive parts when it makes sense (like the steering wheel and throttle petal, etc). They are also thinking five to six years ahead, not the next quarterly report (ok a bit of that with shipments)..
5. One of the enticements to buying my Tesla was lifetime supercharging, which he I am starting to take advantage of.
6. Like the joke you mentioned trying to use third party charging networks just recently had an update with lots of EV journalists trying to travel to a convention to San Diego.
7. Tesla is the main profit center, everything like SpaceX, Starlink and Boring company only have Elon Musk in common (though hey the stock market gets that confused also). Though I do think he shot himself in both feet with twitter...
8. My suggestion for a used EV would be to get a Tesla that is at least partly still under warrantee. Anything else is a crap shoot.

PS. Most Tesla charging stations that I have encountered have been less than eight charging stalls, sometimes sixteen. However I recently encountered a brand new one with about fifty stalls!!!