Electric Toad

[richard5933]

I think that this is one of those situations where an "all of the above" answer is the one to go with.

[chessie4905]

sure they are getting more popular. tax incentive, cheap to recharge right now, fad, just like Starbucks coffee, being different, "green", etc. there are a lot of lemings in this country . Maybe make some effort on dealing on massive traffic jams at rush hour could help a lot. Electric cars may have issues sitting in traffic for two hours on a 90 degre or 20 degree day.
We'll get there as the logistics get worked out. I would imagine a lot of solar panel surface will start being added to the near future electric cars.
Wonder how long till it is made known that the crude supply is being depleted faster than any new supply. How long can the current world consumption of fuel last. 5 years? 20 years, 50 years?

[luvrbus]

Ice storms and falling trees take any grid out,parts of OR was without power for weeks around Portland,I doubt Texas will ever go back on the national grid   

[Nova Eona]

Starbucks was founded in '71 and became huge around '92, not sure I'd use them as an example of a 'fad'.

[chessie4905]

Still big with millenials and xers. Oh yes, and craft beers, Chickfila , anything their parents didn't eat, jacked pickups with wide tires sticking out, diesel pickups, two cycle Detroit Diesels, tiny homes...

[6805eagleguy]

Huh. I go by- 'diesel is for power, gas is for washing parts' I like my diesel pickup🙂👍

P.S. don't know where electric vehicles come in🤔

[Jim Blackwood]

The key is to not get in a big hurry. Every time you try to rush things it costs you. Time, money, or blood, maybe all three. So rather than go all rabid about it, it would make more sense to plan out a steady transition that minimizes the ripple effect by building up the infrastructure as the fleet changes over, and also recognize that ICE is not going away. There will always be applications that is is better suited for than EV. And there will always be the retro crowd who quite simply refuse to give it up.

I don't mind the madding crowd treating their cars as appliances, just as long as they don't insist that I join them.

Jim

[Nova Eona]

I think what this forum needs is a sticky'd thread somewhere where we can argue endlessly over whether EVs have a future so that other threads asking questions about them don't inevitably devolve into that.

[luvrbus]

Diesel fuel is not going away anytime soon,I haven't saw any 767 planes with electric power yet flying the skies

[luvrbus]

They just announced that the new Rivians would start delivery in June of 2021.


They are also apparently contracted with Amazon to build 100,000 Electric Delivery vehicles.

Peter   

Amazon is the largest stock holder in Rivian could be why he is buying 100,000 EV they will probably be converted Ford vans since they own a lot of Rivian stock,can see buying a EV from Amazon with the "1 click "

[windtrader]

I don't think anyone is stating diesel fuel is going away, as in going to zero. And each person is free to stick their head in the sand but electric power is the way forward, period. How it is generated on a massive scale will be determined by bean counters, nuclear aside. As recent events continue to show there is zero room for error when a fusion nuc plant goes bad. If they figure out fission, that may be the final solution

[Jim Blackwood]

each person is free to stick their head in the sand

See, it's comments like that one right there that strike folks as a personal attack and that doesn't help move anything forward whether it's the agenda or cooperation, or whatever your goal might be. And saying that all electric is the doo-all, be-all, end-all is just plain mistaken. Hark back to the 60's and the era of the all-electric home with the power companies handing out wall medallions and incentives like candy corn, explaining how much more efficient it was and how it was going to save the homeowner so much money. Did they eliminate all the alternatives? Not even close. It can probably be said that they didn't eliminate any of them. And the much ballyhooed efficiency never really trickled down to the homeowner either did it? Same here. The most that the EV, appliance, and autonomous crowd can hope for is to carve out a larger share of the market, which is something that will happen without all the pot stirring anyway. If current market share is 2% you can't possibly believe that will reach a major share any time soon, even with all the legislation you care to throw at it. It's simply too large of a mass to move that fast. Especially when real live people can see as plainly as their hand in front of their face that they aren't going to save any money by converting. You want to make it happen? Find a way to keep half the buyer's money in his pocket and you won't be able to hold them off. Shy of that it's going to be standard market pressures as usual. With a few fringe easily influenced buyers jumping on the bandwagon.

Jim

[windtrader]

Well, I do apologize if the comment was abrasive. It is fact that the general commentary is on the resistive side rather than the adoptive side. As I implied you can do as you wish, embrace or hide, have it your way as MickeyD says or is that the King.


When discussing any new technology time is a major factor. And I absolutely believe governments can set the pace of adoption of new technology. Just look at the state where I live. Look what they did to the entire two stroke diesel technology; virtually killed it in a decade or two. The same thing is happening now with the move off fossil fuels. It is just fact.


Now, if you ask the question when will this be common on globally. Maybe never. Same as old belching two strokes roaming many roads in the third world.


We can all have opinions, that is what makes for variety and keeps things lively. Not a big deal if you go the beach, some stare at the stars, some put their head in the sand. It's all good.



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[luvrbus]

I think a lot of Teslas appear on used car lots because the first owner leased the car.  People who own expensive cars like the Tesla tend to switch cars often.  A local used car dealer only sells electric cars.  There are 13 cars on the website and all 13 started as lease vehicles.

Tesla has a lot of fit and finish quality issues, but I have not heard of them not holding up well. 

LOL some pickups cost more than a Telsa

[chessie4905]

2021 Duramax Denali crew cab. $82k plus. Almost every option as an Escalade.