Speaking of Green new deal and our buses

[tr206]

At the risk being labelled a non believer I'm trying to compile evidence of how humans contributed or caused the great ice age can anyone help me out here? I'm sure it can't be a natural occurrence right? Ed your scaring to hell out of me.

[muldoonman]

At the risk being labelled a non believer I'm trying to compile evidence of how humans contributed or caused the great ice age can anyone help me out here? I'm sure it can't be a natural occurrence right? Ed your scaring to hell out of me.

Somebody will be along shortly to enlighten us.

[richard5933]

Never undestood That as these Tree Huggers are the ones pushing this crap.

I think that there is a HUGE chasm between both extremes of this argument. This is not a binary choice with only two options.

At the risk being labelled a non believer I'm trying to compile evidence of how humans contributed or caused the great ice age can anyone help me out here? I'm sure it can't be a natural occurrence right? Ed your scaring to hell out of me.

Can't explain the great ice age to you, and I would agree that there are natural events and cycles that we can't control. But, do humans have an impact in our environment? I can certainly point to the Island of Hispaniola as an example of how we do. One end of the island is Haiti and the other is the Dominican Republic. Take a look at any aerial photo and see the difference for yourself.

[Lin]

I am not sure about synthetic meat, but there are many plant based meat alternatives.  Some are quite good.  I do not really think that the important issue is whether plant based "chicken" tastes exactly like a dead chicken. It would seem more important to me that it just tastes good. 

[Nova Eona]

At the risk being labelled a non believer I'm trying to compile evidence of how humans contributed or caused the great ice age can anyone help me out here? I'm sure it can't be a natural occurrence right? Ed your scaring to hell out of me.

Who is suggesting that humans had anything to do with the last ice age?  Are you positing that for humans to have a hand in modern climate change, they must have been responsible for past climate changes as well?

[tr206]

The earth is millions of year old right? I can't buying into (I believe) a theory that humans with the use of fossil fuels for what a 100 plus years (is that even a blink of the eye in the grand seem of time?) can totally destroy the earths climate in the next 10 years because that's what their saying. And why is it a mostly leftist driven agenda that makes it suspect for me. Is John Kerry really out to save us from our self's.

[chessie4905]

Maybe the earth is creeping closer to the sun. What do they say...93,000,000 miles. When is the last time they got the tape measure out?

[tr206]

Don't give em anymore ideas.

[Jim Blackwood]

John Kerry is an Al Gore wannabee.

First we're overdue for a mini-ice age and now it's global warming. Sounds like politics as usual to me.

Jim

[benherman1]

The earth is millions of year old right? I can't buying into (I believe) a theory that humans with the use of fossil fuels for what a 100 plus years (is that even a blink of the eye in the grand seem of time?) can totally destroy the earths climate in the next 10 years because that's what their saying. And why is it a mostly leftist driven agenda that makes it suspect for me. Is John Kerry really out to save us from our self's.

To rule out political agenda's you only need to look outside of the US. Every country that supports scientific research understands the effects of dumping CO2 into the atmosphere. The fact that we have had such a profound effect in such a short time is where all the issues come from. We have already made irreversible changes that our grandchildren will have to live with.

The question now is do we continue making it worse or find a new way to get things done? Sometimes that means spending money on technology that isn't as mature as the older technology. In a purely capitalist society we would never do that because it makes less money. The "leftist agenda" is socialist. That's the point. It is making a financial decision now to benefit our society.

This is a global issue which brings up another scary term: globalism. If our social programs to improve the environment aren't done globally then they will fail. Sometimes that means we have to do the right thing and support poor countries doing the right thing while one of the "other" country does something bad to make a quick buck.


Back to the tech side of things: No, we likely won't get it perfect the first time. Yes, we will likely make a mess here and there. In the long run if we stick with "proven oil and gas" we will continue to damage our planet and we will eventually run out. What will we do then when we haven't developed an alternative. I know some of the folks here may remember the dinosaurs but I don't. they are gone along with the peat bogs your oil comes from. Oil is a finite source of carbon dense fuel sequestered far under ground. When we take it out of the ground and burn it where does the carbon go? Anybody who tells you it doesn't end up in the air is lying to you.

[tr206]

Yeah It's not global warming anymore that didn't work for them that's why it climate change you can go either way now. If there isn't a crisis they have to make one. Let no crisis go to waste behavioral control they must deplete your freedoms.

[richard5933]

I'll agree that humans may not have the power to make global changes in the short term, but a brief look at history certainly shows that human activity has had major impacts on local environments with disastrous results.

For example, entire weather patterns for sections of the planet have been changed by clear cutting the vast majority of trees in certain parts of the globe. These things happen incredibly fast in the overall scheme of things. Like I posted before - it's possible with aerial photography to see stark differences on two sides of the same border with one lush and the other a dust bowl. That's not a natural occurrence, it's the direct result of one side being clear cut while the other was better cared for.

This is not a left propaganda thing, this is just facts on the ground. Sorry to report, but humans have not been great stewards of the earth's resources all the time. Sometimes greed gets the better of us and bad things happen.

Are you guys seriously saying that humans have not had impact on places we've lived?

[tr206]

Not say humans can't impact small parts of the world. Just not buying total global devastation all the time drum beat for the short time humans have been here baring the nuclear war.

[richard5933]

Not say humans can't impact small parts of the world. Just not buying total global devastation all the time drum beat for the short time humans have been here.

Then perhaps we can all agree at least to stop peeing in our drinking water (metaphorically and literally) and each do our part to take care of our own corners of the globe. If everyone did that we'd have far fewer problems.

Still amazes me how many places I see still dumping toxic fluids to the ground and then complaining about the cost of the new water treatment plant needed to provide safe drinking water.

[benherman1]

Not say humans can't impact small parts of the world. Just not buying total global devastation all the time drum beat for the short time humans have been here baring the nuclear war.

There isn't much we can do to cause "total global devastation". Nobody is saying that will be the result. We will just make more and more of out planet uninhabitable for humans. Other species will continue to die off as well as the ongoing mass extinction event continues. In the long run the earth will still be here and life will be on it. It will just look a bit different a few million years from now. The question is will humans still be here.