Canadians driving in the USA

[eagle19952]

Well said Bob that is happening here for sure all in the name of keeping us safe what BS,the Real ID Act is way of keeping track of citizens that is all it's for

In December 2004, President George W. Bush signed into law the National Intelligence Reform Act of 2004

The USA PATRIOT Act is an Act of Congress that was signed into law by President George W. Bush on October 26, 2001. With its ten-letter abbreviation (USA PATRIOT) expanded, the full title is "Uniting and Strengthening America by Providing Appropriate Tools Required to Intercept and Obstruct Terrorism Act of 2001

Starting to see a pattern here ?

[luvrbus]

I am going to leave this alone it's headed down the political trail, the Real Id Act is BS though IMO 

[chessie4905]

You should have the waze app for police info on busy roads.  Shows location of police, accidents, vehicles sitting along the road, potholes, animals on road, etc. All reported by other drivers. If the item announced isn't still there, you can indicate it and it will go away. Priceless app.

[lostagain]

If you're not speeding, you shouldn't be worried about where the police is... And you shouldn't be on your phone anyway...

JC

[Dave5Cs]

[quote author=eagle19952 link=topic=33041.msg375732#msg375732 date=1525875637
i read it differently. she said she lived in Tennessee. That was probably true. it's where she slept.  The question should have been are you a US citizen. Quote]

Funny Don you bring that up because when we were traveling across the country last year in our Bus. We like everyone else were stopped by the Federal Officers at the check point in Texass.

They came up to the window and asked "were all people in the vehical AMERICANS" I said yes and off we went no problems. We noticed all kinds of heat sensors and cameras trained on us as we came in to the CP.
As I was driving i looked at the wife and asked shouldn't they have said in everyone in the vehical a US CITIZEN?. Thought that was strange.
Could have been South American's?

[Slug]

Don't have this problem in Australia and New Zealand
We let anyone drive here even Canadians 

[Tony LEE]

Passports are for borders, driver's licences are for speeding infractions.

Too simplistic. You might be applying domestic law applying to citizens to non-citizens -  because in most countries, aliens are required to carry their passport at all times and produce it on demand. Perhaps there is a treaty excluding Canadians but ?

[windtrader]

Being government, slow and always behind, these formal IDs are basically obsolete in today's information society. They don't need any of that crap to find you. If you own a cell phone, finding your general whereabouts is kids play. If you have a cell phone, you likely are being tracked by the GPS in the phone which is sending Google all the details. You can disable it but it's down in the bowels of the settings maze. If you are using a computer to read this, the tracking is a click away for the feds. They can feed all this data and come up with a profile and more detailed account of you than you can remember.

We live in a big data world now, meaning trillions of data points about you are stored in the cloud by some organization, public or private. A data don't die easy nor have any memory lapses. Deep in that spinning data is everything as fresh as it was captured years ago. It is troubling times for all humans on Earth.

[chessie4905]

If youre not speeding, you dont need to worry about where the police is...... un huh. you never accidently got over limit... gives verbal warnings, does not require watching phone or gps. very useful for warning of semi at side of road around curve, allowing you to move to lh lane, or traffic congestion, accidents, how far traffic is slowed down or for how great a distance. Free app.

[lostagain]

Thanks I will try it.

JC

[Jim Eh.]

From the local newscast it was made to imply that proof of who she was was not replied upon by her photo ID drivers license alone. I t was requested that she produce an additional piece of photo id to prove she was who she actually claimed to be. I would assume there was some animosity between the arresting officer and the young woman with both parties "fluffing their feathers" a little. Kinda like ... you can't do that ... just you watch me. The validity of a Canadian drivers license was not the issue.
So tempers flared and nobody got killed. And it turned out nice again...

[eagle19952]

From the local newscast it was made to imply that proof of who she was was not replied upon by her photo ID drivers license alone. It was requested that she produce an additional piece of photo id to prove she was who she actually claimed to be. I would assume there was some animosity between the arresting officer and the young woman with both parties "fluffing their feathers" a little. Kinda like ... you can't do that ... just you watch me. The validity of a Canadian drivers license was not the issue.
So tempers flared and nobody got killed. And it turned out nice again...

this assumes no photo on a provincial drivers license ?

no LEO ever asked me for a second photo...

but..I did once have a female officer call for a male officer to over see a stop...

equal rights and all that... 

[kjurkic]

From a Canadian:

When in Rome....

I found a detailed article (sorry, coupla days ago and don't have link at hand); She was speeding. As I understand it, all out of state drivers are taken to station when facing fines, not just us dam furriners'. The documents she provided we not quite up to scratch (electronic copies, not originals). From what I read she was not abused or otherwise maltreated. The arrest, pictures, and prints are over the top, since if a senior official had not intervened, the young woman would likely be barred from returning to the US in the future.

It is your country. Despite a long, friendly and mutually prosperous relationship, Canadians are not US Citizens and we must abide by your rules for foreign nationals.

/rant
Having said that, I have observed a rise in xenophobia over the decades and even as a middle-aged WASP who would be very low on the profiling scales, I am not interested in enduring the ridiculous process we face trying to cross the border. The illusion of security being sold to the US citizens by your federal government (regardless of party in power) make a routine entry into the US very irritating.

You can end up on some secret list for no discernible reason, and be subject to enhanced screening. Once this occurs, you will be forced through this EVERY TIME even if after 10 pull-asides nothing is ever found. This very post may be used against me without my knowledge if/when I travel to or through the US.

Asking US citizens - How would you like it if the officers of a foreign nation were given the authority to operate on US soil, and detain you against your will if they didn't like your answers?

I am all for pre-screening at point of departure (ie airport) before you fly to your destination, if you are going to be denied entry. This should not empower a foreign officer to detain me if I choose to cancel my trip because I don't like their attitude, and have no desire to answer their questions.

There is so much in the US I want see and places I want to visit, and I know many good and great Americans, but your very own border policies have become the equivalent of a "KEEP OUT!" sign on the lawn.

/rant

Cheers
Ken

[luvrbus]

LOL I get the passport idea when visiting other countries it's the law
but as a American carrying a passport for ID with a valid drivers licenses is BS in this country.It is almost like we have countries 2 in 1 state now this $#!% is only get worse too before long we will need 2 plates  federal and state on a vehicle to travel across this great land

[lostagain]

I've been going back and forth across the border for 50 years many times a year for pleasure and for work. Never had a problem. You just have to have your documents in order, answer the questions, be polite, and behave properly.

JC