Just because it is done by a paid professional doesn’t mean it is done right.

[luvrbus]

LOL I agree Brian I had a pro at Southern Oregon run a nut through one of Alcoa wheels then tell me my wheel was bad when he removed it BS 

[kyle4501]

Too right you are Brian.
As I was addressing the loose inner nuts, I was thinking about all those in the past who have defended the big tire shops & their use of air impact wrenches to install tires. The result is sarcasm in the title. 

To each their own, but I like knowing the nuts tightened up properly. I also know what it feels like when the threads are stretched. Harder to discern the difference with an impact. 

Also, I find that I don't need my 70:1 torque multiplier to get the nuts off if I put them on.

[luvrbus]

Good tires guys can get one on the money with a impact,it's the one's that keep on hammering that cause trouble,I use a impact and wet lube never broke a stud or lost a wheel in 30 years I just like 400 lbs wet instead of the dry 500 lbs of torque

Most all major truck lines use a twist and torque wet lube method on the wheels now with a impact set at 400lbs   

[kyle4501]

Good tires guys can get one on the money with a impact,it's the one's that keep on hammering that cause trouble,I use a impact and wet lube never broke a stud or lost a wheel in 30 years I just like 400 lbs wet instead of the dry 500 lbs of torque

Most all major truck lines use a twist and torque wet lube method on the wheels now with a impact set at 400lbs   

Only problem with that is it is hard to know if you got a good or a bad tire guy before the work starts 

Much easier to know after the work is done - sooner if they break stuff   

[Jon]

In some respects this is a silly discussion because the low man on the totem pole is usually the guy that deals with wheels and tires. Just like the master mechanic is not the guy that is going to change oil or grease the bus.

I stopped expecting quality work on my bus by others and despite the effort required I still do all my own work to avoid the pain of watching some one that does not know or care beating up my bus.

[kyle4501]

Jon,
I agree with you on expectations of quality work.

But it ain't a silly discussion if it makes someone realize they really need to watch what others are doing - the owner of the coach is who is ultimately responsible for the safety of their vehicle.

For me, it is easier to hope it was done right rather than verify. . . . It takes a lot of effort for me to not take the lazy route. 

I haven't seen a good bolted connection messed up by a properly used torque wrench - but I have seen lots of damage done when the tools weren't properly used. . . . .

[luvrbus]

It is silly but there are good tire people out there not all are idiots.I know a guy that is on all these boards with a Prevost he wanted the new Alcoa wheels you never need to polish

He damaged all 6 by buying all new nuts and paying no attention to the manufacture specs on the bevel he ordered boxes of the nuts off the internet,they never did seat and damaged the seat on the wheels  

I am looking for a place to redo the bevels and warranty the wheels you guys know of a outfit SouthWest Wheel won't touch the wheels where he purchased the wheels they want another 3200 bucks for set

I see people do it all the time even replacing a broken stud they want to save a few bucks and only replace 1 broken stud instead of the 3 as recommended.Hub pilot is the way to go then no one has to remember does it go to the right or the left   

[Jon]

In the context of how I meant silly was unless we know the shop, and the skill levels of the people doing a particular job we don't have much choice other than to watch like a hawk, or go elsewhere.

I go to professionals when the work exceeds my skill levels, so I have to rely on someone else who has better knowledge than me. Unfortunately lately I am following the "professional" and fixing what he should have done. I cannot do an alignment. I cannot program certain electronic devices, and I am physically not able to replace my current windshields because they are so big and it is a two man job. So other than watching them and hoping things come out right there is little I can do. We can discuss this issue which affects us all, but I don't know we can do much about it other than to hope the guy doing the work knows what he is doing.

[luvrbus]

People need to know their skill level and limitations I agree, I do  I am not ashamed to have someone repair something I know nothing about.

All I am saying is that owners can screw up with the best of the best   

[eagle19952]

After spending 40+ years in the hvy construction maintenance bizz, hiring and firing  i can spend less than 3 minutes sorting out the cans and the can'ts...

go with your gut.

and PS.  
on a 1M yard a month 24/7 dirt job, your tire hands are probably the most critical men involved in timely completion, and are highly regarded in the industry. oh and very well paid.

one of the best keep her running mechanics that i ever hired showed up with his tools in a duffle bag... he poured them out into 5 gallon oil buckets so...sometimes you can't read a book by it's cover....

[luvrbus]

Yep a 37.25x35x30ply scraper tire will separate the good from the bad in a hurry those guys earn their money 

[eagle19952]

Yep a 37.25x35x30ply scraper tire will separate the good from the bad in a hurry those guys earn their money 

point is they got past a long line of dump trucks to get at the scrapers ... 

[kyle4501]

All good points. That is why I wanted to bring this up. Too many people put blind faith in whom ever they are paying.

Clifford, Yes indeed, each one of us can be our own worst enemy, given the right/ wrong circumstances.

Kicking something like this around helps me to know when I should do it myself, let someone else do it, or some combination there of. 

[RobSedona]

Right but when you don't know its hard to watch and know if they did it right

Rob

[kyle4501]

Right but when you don't know its hard to watch and know if they did it right

Rob

Sometimes, experience comes at high price. 
Forums like this help me to learn some things - saves me from having to make all the expensive mistakes by myself.