AnOtHeR Furnace thread

[blue_goose]

If you are looking for something good but, cheap for what you get I have a unit that came with a MCI 12 .
It is a heating unit that was in the water system to heat the bus and also the engine.  I never tried the unit but I know it can be made to work.  Also have the 24 volt pump that makes the water flow. 
If anyone is interested let me know.  If I still have the unit it will be at the New years bus rally in Florida.
Jack

[Newbob]

What make/ model is it - any idea?

[eagle19952]

read the install direction manual....
it has it's own stand pipe that needs to be installed in the existing tank or a separte tank i would choose the main tank...

http://www.techwebasto.com/redirect/heater_main/907512.pdf


this kit is from england, i post it only to validate it's potential.

http://sales.butlertechnik.com/webasto/webasto-installation-complete-heater-install-kit/webasto-thermo-top-c300-diesel-camper-heating-kit-41k107d] [url]http://sales.butlertechnik.com/webasto/webasto-installation-complete-heater-install-kit/webasto-thermo-top-c300-diesel-camper-heating-kit-41k107d[/url]

[opus]

My Webasto [DBW2010] doesnt have a standpipe, it T's off of the fuel line before the injection pump.  Thats the way it came to me and has worked fine.  The Webasto has its own fuel pump as well.

The unit has its own circulator pump which will not circulate a 40' bus.  I have an additional circulator pump.  I also 6 radiator type heaters in the bus.  We were out a weekend at -16 and stayed plenty warm.

I doubt you'll find a Webasto for $1000 though.  I think I know of one for sale, maybe 2, but thats all I know at this point.

[eagle19952]

My Webasto [DBW2010] doesnt have a standpipe, it T's off of the fuel line before the injection pump.  Thats the way it came to me and has worked fine.  The Webasto has its own fuel pump as well.

The unit has its own circulator pump which will not circulate a 40' bus.  I have an additional circulator pump.  I also 6 radiator type heaters in the bus.  We were out a weekend at -16 and stayed plenty warm.

I doubt you'll find a Webasto for $1000 though.  I think I know of one for sale, maybe 2, but thats all I know at this point.

$1100.00
http://www.ebay.com/itm/WEBASTO-THERMO-TOP-C-coolant-heater-airtronic-airtop-semi-truck-parts-/331091349667?_trksid=p2054897.l4275

1500.00
http://www.ebay.com/itm/Webasto-DBW2020-80000btu-military-heater-with-coil-and-hoses-/321514111099?pt=Other_Vehicle_Parts&hash=item4adbbc007b&vxp=mtr

[opus]

The Thermo Top wont heat a lot but thats a steal for a 2020.  If he has 24v and doesnt mind getting it from CA, it would be a good deal.  I wonder why a 2020 is cheaper than a 2010. 

[eagle19952]

here's what the boat people say : remember too...boat people always charge/pay twice as much...
and boats sit in cold water...a lot of it.

http://www.suremarineservice.com/TSL17SW-12.aspx

The TSL-17 is the smallest water heater offered by Webasto and will heat up to a 38 foot sailboat or a 34 foot powerboat. The TSL-17 utilizes 3/4" water hose to deliver heated coolant to fan heaters throughout the boat. The TSL-17 uses a 22mm flex exhaust system, and a 3/16" fuel system.

[Newbob]

Good info.... Of course, a 34 ish foot boat would be lucky to have much more than a 100sq' cabin to heat. Whereas 'Im working with more like 200+ - But I think the webasto would be a good fit. It's just a matter of spending the money I guess :-)

So, what does the Webasto use for a radiating device for the coolant? Can I add radiator so I don't have to use mine - they are pretty loud.

I'm Assuming my system is 24V - anyone have a more educated opinion on that (2002 BlueBird FE transit)

[opus]

So, what does the Webasto use for a radiating device for the coolant? Can I add radiator so I don't have to use mine - they are pretty loud.

I use the OEM radiators and fans with a couple of thermostats.  If you want a lot of heat, you wont find a better setup.

[Oonrahnjay]

So, what does the Webasto use for a radiating device for the coolant? Can I add radiator so I don't have to use mine - they are pretty loud.  

     Yeah, Bob, the Webasto gives you hot water - you can use it as you'd like.  Most people use heat exchangers/radiators with their choice of quiet fans, there are little cube units but there are other types as well.  It's possible to use the "kick board" passive heater units that are just a piece of copper pipe with "wrinkly" aluminum-foil like heat dispersers or even under-floor heat.  And you have your choice of a number of small ones to do zone-type selection or a bigger one with air moving.
     But since you already have radiators for interior heat, you could change out the fans for quieter units.  A good thing to do with a Webasto is put in a heat exchanger unit and manifold setup so you can have a heater circuit in the bus that's providing interior heat from either engine heat or Webasto, or switch the valves and the Webasto is pre-heating the engine.  (And my Atwood multiheater uses 120V, propane, or a loop off engine heat or Webasto so a Webasto could give you both heat and hot water). 
     But you're not stuck with loud fans -- they were put in there to be able to warm up 50 or so people quickly after they were picked up in frigid weather.  A bus conversion with more stable interior and inhabitants doesn't need nearly as much fan power.  But it's good to have only one system of radiators and fans for both travel and parked.
     Those systems are expensive but they give you a lot of design choice! 

[eagle19952]

i thought gamers used head sets....sell ear plugs...

[Newbob]

Opus, are yours loud? Any chance you could get me a model number? You mean the OEM from your bus - not Webasto right?

[opus]

Newbob [wheres oldbob?], if you run them all at once they will be loud.  I live in MT though so heat trumps loud under any circumstance.

Here is the link to my build photos: https://picasaweb.google.com/105242528442539697758/Bus  I'm sure your heaters will be close to mine.  I've replaced a couple fans as well as sucking out all the hair and lollipop sticks, etc out of the radiators.  The only thing I have from Webasto is the burner you see in the pix.

[Newbob]

Funny story Opus (to me anyway) - When my son (now was five or so, he was largely non-verbal - he could say maybe ten words. One of them was "bob", so when we asked him what he wanted to name our camper he said "bob". So we went with it :-) A year or so later, we got a new camper and asked what he wanted to name it he said "bob". When I explained "but this is a new camper buddy  - what do you want to call the NEW camper?" he said "Newbob!" LOL

Thanks for the details - Ill check your blog to see the radiator :-) I think those kick-space heaters are pretty pricey, technically I have 18 feet of cabinets and eighteen feet of bench seat on the opposite side so the actual airspace to heat (once the objects come up to temp) is much less than 200 sq'. so some slower, quieter fans should work fine.

[eagle19952]

i would look in the existing units (fan plenums) and see could I add an array of computer fans 12v...push or pull (flipped or oriented) would move enough air...