Coolant leak when it is cold out
 

Coolant leak when it is cold out

Started by Kitt, November 10, 2012, 07:26:26 PM

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Kitt

Hi all.

My 05 was new to us this year and we are just now getting some nights below freezing. I noticed yesterday that some coolant was dripping from the engine in a few spots. On closer inspection it was a very very slow drip (an ooze?) from a bunch of the flexible hoses. I don't think the coolant froze at all to cause this issue - it is green and not icy though I did not test it with a hydrometer or refractometer.

I went out today and tightened up the clamps and hope that takes care of it for now if the leak was either from the hose not being flexible enough in very cold weather and/or the metal pipes shrinking just a little bit.

Is this "normal" and would I be better off using constant torque clamps on the hoses, or are there better hoses to use, or something else I'm not thinking of?

Thanks.
1977 Eagle model 05
8v71, Allison HT740D

luvrbus

If you have silicone hoses the constant torque clamps are a must, for me the Gates Green Stripe hose is a tough product to beat at about 1/2 the cost of silicone
Life is short drink the good wine first

gus

More leaks is pretty much normal for coolant in cold weather, shrinkage and all that stuff.
PD4107-152
PD4104-1274
Ash Flat, AR

Mike in GA

The metal bibs that your coolant hoses slip onto will shrink/draw up a little in cold weather. You will notice that a leaky hose on a cold morning is often a dry hose after a run down the road and after the thermostats open. As said above, the best solution is spring clamps or constant torque clamps. Much more expensive but worth it.
Mike in GA
Past President, Southeast Bus Nuts. Busin' for almost 20 years in a 1985 MC 96a3 with DD 8v92 and a 5 speed Allison c/r.

eagle19952

i like the spring loaded type clamp, one thing i have found to help is to warm up the hoses with a heat gun and then re-tighten.
Donald PH
1978 Model 05 Eagle w/Torsilastic Suspension,8V71 N, DD, Allison on 24.5's 12kw Kubota.

buswarrior

With all of this said, simply tightening the old style clamps when it gets cold also works just fine.

For those busnuts on a budget, don't rush out thinking you have to buy the really nice constant torque clamps.

You will, more than likely, have higher priorities for spending cash.

happy coaching!
buswarrior

Frozen North, Greater Toronto Area
new project: 1995 MCI 102D3, Cat 3176b, Eaton Autoshift

Kitt

Yes, plenty more calling for cash. This year for sure I will just be tightening the clamps. Thanks for everyone's input!
1977 Eagle model 05
8v71, Allison HT740D

luvrbus

Yea but BW if he has silicone hoses he keeps tightening the clamps he will spend money for more than clamps
Life is short drink the good wine first

bobofthenorth

I picked up 4 constand torque clamps from a DD dealer in Regina about a month ago now.  I don't remember exactly what they were but I was astonished how little they were.  I'm thinking maybe $4 or $5 per each for 2.25" clamps.  Not worth messing with IMHO, if that's what it takes. 
R.J.(Bob) Evans
Used to be 1981 Prevost 8-92, 10 spd
Currently busless (and not looking)

The last thing I would ever want to do is hurt you.
Its the last thing but its still on the list.

Lin

No doubt, better clamps are better.  However, I have not gotten to doing that yet.  I do double clamp anything that I am concerned about though.
You don't have to believe everything you think.

Dave5Cs

I was told by a guy at Valley to put silicon on the end of any casing and let it dry before you put on the hose, that way they don't eat through the silicon hose layer by layer.

Dave5Cs :D
"Perfect Frequency"1979 MCI MC5Cs 6V-71,644MT Allison.
2001 Jeep Cherokee Sport 60th Anniversary edition.
1998 Jeep TJ ,(Gone)
Somewhere in the USA fulltiming.

Ace

I found that a simple fix for a simple "cold" leak is to just bring the unit up to operating temp and tighten all connections!
This happened to me last year and this advice obviously worked because no leaks since!


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Ace Rossi
Lakeland, Fl. 33810
Prevost H3-40

sledhead

What Ace said .Worked for my silicone hoses                 dave
dave , karen
1990 mci 102c  6v92 ta ht740  kit,living room slide .... sold
2000 featherlite vogue vantare 550 hp 3406e  cat
1875 lbs torque  home base huntsville ontario canada

luvrbus

I don't think he ever told us what hoses he has on the bus,I use the green stripe Gates and the clamp torque wrench from a plumbing supply and never have leaks I can go from 100 degrees in Phoenix to below freezing in Idaho the best advice is to buy good clamps the HF clamps don't cut it
Life is short drink the good wine first

Kitt

I don't know what brand the hoses are that I have - there isn't any writing on them and no stripes. They look like similar to the EPDM hoses with a fabric outer wrap. And the clamps are the standard (cheap?) kind - nothing fancy.

After tightening the clamps a few days ago there haven't been any more leaks despite all of the below freezing / above freezing cycles we have had lately.
1977 Eagle model 05
8v71, Allison HT740D