Welding blankets
 

Welding blankets

Started by belfert, June 07, 2011, 03:48:06 AM

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belfert

I need to do welding on my bus to add an additional roof A/C unit.  Does anyone have any recommendations for welding blankets to keep from burning up the bus?  The original welding was done when the bus was a stripped shell and I didn't care if a few sparks fell on the floor.

Harbor Freight has cheap welding blankets, but the warnings on the web site are kinda scaring me off.  It sounds like they are not heavy duty at all.
Brian Elfert - 1995 Dina Viaggio 1000 Series 60/B500 - 75% done but usable - Minneapolis, MN

luvrbus

Belfert, you can more for your money by buying a furnace curtain same thing and I have seen a lot of rv repair guys using heavy duty aluminum foil   

good luck
Life is short drink the good wine first

rv_safetyman

Brain, interesting question.  I did the exact same thing a few years back and I can't remember exactly what I did.  My recollection was that I put a piece of plywood under the opening and then used some old blankets that were soaked with water.  I did the welding from the roof, so I could put the plywood directly under the opening.

Not matter what you use, be sure to have a spotter standing by with a good extinguisher.  As you know, I hate dry powder extinguishers and in this case the would not be all that effective.  Best would be a 2.5 gallon water type extinguisher with a foam or surfactant additive.  Second best would be the same unit with just water.  If you don't have a water extinguisher, you should be able to find one at a garage sale or perhaps one of the vendors that advertise in BCM ::).

My real reason for writing is to remind you to unhook the engine ECM.  I also unhook the inverter.  Of course, you want to keep the ground very close to the welding, making sure the where you are clamped is not isolated from the parts being welded.

Will be interesting to see what others recommend.

Jim

Jim Shepherd
Evergreen, CO
'85 Eagle 10/Series 60/Eaton AutoShift 10 speed transmission
Somewhere between a tin tent and a finished product
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eddiepotts

Look at Auto Zone they have a metal oil drip pan that is 25" x 36" " http://www.autozone.com/autozone/accessories/Blitz-3-4-x-25-x-36-in-galvanized-drip-tray/_/N-25yj?counter=6&filterByKeyWord=oil+pan&fromString=search&itemIdentifier=475418_0_0_ " Just have some one or a 2x4 hold it up around your opening where you are welding.

Jeremy

I use the sound proofing / fire insulation sheet taken from the underside of a car bonnet (hood). It actually came from my Cadillac so is pretty large. It's a compressed fibreglass insulation material with a felt-like skin - stiff enough to be stood up against a wall, but can be bent to fit a shape if required. It cost nothing and seems ideal for the purpose.

Jeremy
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luvrbus

If you welding with wire and gas shouldn't be a problem anyway

good luck
Life is short drink the good wine first

belfert

I already had a fire in the bus from welding two years ago and it cost me $750 to replace everything that burned up.  That is why I want to get welding blankets or something this time.

And yes, I will disconnect the ECM, Vanner, and everything else that could be damaged.
Brian Elfert - 1995 Dina Viaggio 1000 Series 60/B500 - 75% done but usable - Minneapolis, MN

robertglines1

bolt it in ------    Didn't realize till later when I re read  I meant frame support or roof strength supplement in that area. sorry.
Bob@Judy  98 XLE prevost with 3 slides --Home done---last one! SW INdiana

belfert

Of course the air conditioner will be bolted on, but it still needs a 14"x14" hole framed in to support it.
Brian Elfert - 1995 Dina Viaggio 1000 Series 60/B500 - 75% done but usable - Minneapolis, MN

luvrbus

Bob is talking bolting the frame in  you see it done all the time even with 2x4's lol
Life is short drink the good wine first

robertglines1

or 1 1/2 angle or tubeing bolted to roof structure
Bob@Judy  98 XLE prevost with 3 slides --Home done---last one! SW INdiana

rv_safetyman

Bob, I think I understand what you are saying.

The issue, if the Dina is like the Eagle, is that he has the cut the center stringer.  I know that I wanted to weld the framework to that stinger to make sure it did not deflect from the weight of the AC bouncing down the road.

Jim
Jim Shepherd
Evergreen, CO
'85 Eagle 10/Series 60/Eaton AutoShift 10 speed transmission
Somewhere between a tin tent and a finished product
Bus Project details: http://beltguy.com/Bus_Project/busproject.htm
Blog:  http://rvsafetyman.blogspot.com/

belfert

There really is no center stringer in a Dina.  All of the roof cross pieces are really light stamped steel.  They used the same metal in the center as all along the roof.  Dina uses a truss design on the sides so the roof isn't load bearing. 

I would think the roof might flex a bit too much just bolting instead of welding.  I'll have to ponder it a bit.  I won't get out to the bus tonight as it is 100 degrees today, but probably tomorrow.
Brian Elfert - 1995 Dina Viaggio 1000 Series 60/B500 - 75% done but usable - Minneapolis, MN

Busted Knuckle

Quote from: belfert
I won't get out to the bus tonight as it is 100 degrees today, but probably tomorrow.

OH NO YOU DON'T!
As much time as you spent inside this winter and spring because it was TOO COLD to go out and work on the bus!
Get yer butt out there and sweat a little MR! ;D

;)  BK  ;)
Busted Knuckle aka Bryce Gaston
KY Lakeside Travel's Busted Knuckle Garage
Huntingdon, TN 12 minutes N of I-40 @ exit 108
www.kylakesidetravel.net

;D Keep SMILING it makes people wonder what yer up to! ;D (at least thats what momma always told me! ;D)

robertglines1

Brian. you prob weight about same as ac unit(couple hundred lbs) if that will give you a Ideal of deflection in the area you would like to mount it.  Again sorry for the unclear bolt it response earlier. The factory prevost I'm rebuilding now just had 2 ea 1 inch tubes span between center two length way roof members to support roof airs. rest of framing for ducting was plywood. I removed all because I'm going with a totally differant hvac system.   Bob
Bob@Judy  98 XLE prevost with 3 slides --Home done---last one! SW INdiana