Cash baby!!!!

belfert · February 21, 2011, 08:44:20 AM

When I flew out to pick up my bus I was pulled out of line and searched because I had a one way ticket. I hadn't paid cash for the ticket or bought it last minute. It didn't really bother me.

On the other hand, if an officer searched my car and damaged it I would be in the police chief's office in no time. I guess I've always been of the opinion that someone who says no to a search request has something to hide. I had no idea they would actually remove door panels and such.

John316 · February 21, 2011, 08:51:43 AM

Quote from: belfert on February 21, 2011, 08:44:20 AM
On the other hand, if an officer searched my car and damaged it I would be in the police chief's office in no time. I guess I've always been of the opinion that someone who says no to a search request has something to hide. I had no idea they would actually remove door panels and such.

Yup, and that is probably what they figure too. However, if you tell them "No" they have to really want to. At that point, when they have the proper permission, that is fine if they do. If they damage anything, then I would simply take pictures, and go to the chief about it.

God bless,

John

trucktramp · February 21, 2011, 09:06:09 AM

Yes, they can and do remove door panels, back seats, and anything else that they may think holds contraban. The bad thing is if they don't find anything, they will leave you sitting on the side of the road with a pile of parts and if you're lucky, they may apologize. Many police departments have access to drug dogs that will find drugs quicker than the average lawman. Everyone should remember that when you are stopped for any violation, you are essentially under arrest. Your Miranda rights exist. The lawman is looking for all evidence that is there to convict you. At this point the lawman is NOT your friend. You do NOT need to cooperate at all. They have different avenues to collect evidence against you. You should not help them do this.

Chopper Scott · February 21, 2011, 10:28:36 AM

I have a lot of relatives that were former cops and some that still are. While employed as cops they were arrogant and more or less better than the general public. The ones that went back to civilian jobs soon become regular guys and are fun to hang out with. The ones still employed in law enforcement........ still jerks.

babell2 · February 21, 2011, 11:13:21 AM

When my son was growing up my wife and I had Au-pairs to care for him. In our cluster we had one family that were police officers. In the time we had one Au-pair they went through four. They constantly played mind games with them until the Au-pair would either rematch with another family or drop out of the program. My family rescued two of them and they were wonderful people. The "officers" were finally dropped from the program.

It must be a mindset of some kind.

Brice

JohnEd · February 21, 2011, 11:42:10 AM

John,

You are so correct. There is such a thing as "implied consent". That would be when the police officer just starts ransacking your auto and later said "thought I had their permission because they didn't stop me or complain loudly".

Proper move is to lock all doors if you are asked to get out of the vehicle. Respectfully decline to be searched "for your own good and safety". Decline offers to have your vehicle searched. Cops are known to come out of a vehicle they searched with a bag of pot and a big shiX eat'n grin on their face. No one is insulated from this treatment unless they are "connected" or related to someone that is. I was a volunteer reserve officer for awhile....no gun, no badge and no uniform were my conditions of service and I was in the top 5% at the range and one sergeant remarked " Dam, John. I want to be on your side". I carried a gun when I was a civilian on my own dime but not when on any sort of duty.

John

Quote from: John316 on February 20, 2011, 07:03:49 PM
FWIW

I will always tell them "No." Remember, that is IF they ask. If not, there isn't much I can do about it. If it is legal, they have to tell you that.

It doesn't hurt to tell them "No." Always.

God bless,

John

thejumpsuitman · February 21, 2011, 11:45:16 AM

Of course there are a lot of great cops out there. My friend in Montgomery I am staying with right now is a cop, as well as a lifelong friend, my sister and brother in-law!

But there are way too many total jerk cops out there too. Dirty cops are like dirty politicians. Pretentious jerks who abuse the power they were entrusted with while completely neglecting their true duty to SERVE the public.

Paso One · February 21, 2011, 12:13:47 PM

Ah Darn Jumpsuitman I was planning to cut and paste your post because it was so profound and bang on.

I answered the phone and turned around and you edited it

Man oh Man did you get hit in the back of the head by the friend your staying with LOL

thejumpsuitman · February 21, 2011, 12:20:49 PM

Quote from: Paso One on February 21, 2011, 12:13:47 PM
Ah Darn Jumpsuitman I was planning to cut and paste your post because it was so profound and bang on.

I answered the phone and turned around and you edited it

Man oh Man did you get hit in the back of the head by the friend your staying with LOL

LOL!!!!

I thought I got too riled up for a bus board, that's all. I meant everything I wrote, but just wanted to remain as cool as I could about the subject.

Paladin · February 21, 2011, 02:26:00 PM

I bought my car from a dealership in Colorado for cash. Boy, you should have seen the looks on their faces, you'd have thought I robbed the bank.
They examined the money bit by bit by multiple managers and they each asked me questions about why carrying large sums of cash, it was well over the 10k mark. I told them truthfully that I was in town over a long holiday to buy a car and had to be home by the end of the holiday and knew that there was no way I'd be getting my hands on the cash while the banks were closed. I also knew that I'd be making a deal on one or another vehicle, I'd done quite a bit of homework and had a stack of papers printed out for models for sale, all of which I had called on and had solid info. For some reason you cannot or could not get what I wanted locally for anywhere near the prices outside of here, I had to go to So Cal for my Benz which I also paid cash for.

Anyway, I told them that if they had a problem with my money I could go elsewhere and naturally they eagerly accepted it though they told me multiple times that they had to report the cash sale. I told them that was fine, I had nothing to hide and didn't really care and I have never heard anything from anyone about it since....til now

I did make sure to be armed while we had the cash, it was locked and stashed VERY well in a bank bag and yet not so as it would look like drug money or something similar or so I hoped. I was nervous carrying that much cash but all was fine. I worried about possible police seizure for some lame reason but I don't generally get pulled over.

I did however refuse to meet people in weird places to see cars and didn't carry cash on me on initial visits.

Chopper Scott · February 21, 2011, 05:29:59 PM

What is a shame is that many of us are just as afraid of a cop as we are of a thief. That alone is truly disturbing.

thejumpsuitman · February 21, 2011, 05:39:12 PM

Quote from: Chopper Scott on February 21, 2011, 05:29:59 PM
What is a shame is that many of us are just as afraid of a cop as we are of a thief. That alone is truly disturbing.

At least you can run away from a thief.

JohnEd · February 21, 2011, 09:41:00 PM

CS,

There was a law on the Fed books that said that your money "could be the criminal and could be taken into custody". The example I recal most vividly was a black nursary/greenhous operator in Chicago or somewhere. He purchased a ticket to Miami or wheresoever and the ticket alerted the Feds that live in the airport for just such an opportunity. The feds asked the guy if he was carrying any cash and he confirmet that he was carrying $10K in a money belt. The cops "ARRESTED HIS MONEY" and turned him loose. With a lawyer and numerous sworn affidavits and tax records and other stuff including phone records to wholesale plant nurseries at his destination he tried to get his money back. NO DICE! He was told that his money was being held on suspicion and the fed was under no obligation to bring his money to trial. You can't make that shix up .

JohnEd · February 21, 2011, 10:12:26 PM

The typing on that last post got all weird and wouldn't let me conclude it.

The law, as I recall, was removed by congress after a howl went out from what must have been the inception of the T party. Back then if you were convicted of organized crime or narc trafficking you got all your money arrested and, now get this part, your wife and other relatives that got rich simultaneously with you also lost every red cent and their cars and homes. Now when Enron's Ken Lay died while riding a Exercycle in his vacation home near Denver, at around 6,500 feet. It was considered/"found to be" a death of natural causes even though he had a history of heart attacks and was on meds and had nitro, which he didn't get when he died, by the way. There was no explanation of what a cardiology patient with sever problems would be doing on a Exercycle BUT since he was dead a Fed judge declared the civil suit against Ken and his $500M worth of cashed out stock in the last 6 months of Enron as exempt from legal actions. The family said it was not obligated to disclose how many days prior to Ken's unfortunate "accident" had lapsed since he purchased the bike. He was being sued by unions he had bankrupted. One of those was Portland Electric which, when sold to Enron, had its entire pension fund liquidated and all funds used to purchase Enron stock. That was a severe misstep in public funds management and the union raised holy hell. The judge said that it was within the rights of the new owner to attach and manage the fund and that the "old agreement to use a bonded investment house" was voided when the sale of PG was completed without that stipulation in the purchase agreement. The argument was that the old owners were obligated to include it but the judge said "too late" and banged his gavel. The union was, at that time, trying to get the funds removed from Ken's control and it was only weeks after the sale. Too late.

Did you know that if you take Viagra and a Nitro pill at the same time it brings on immediate death. No autopsy and no blood testing cause he had a bad heart. Had he been found to have committed suicide or have died under questionable circumstances there was grounds to continue the civil suit for the union pension funds recovery. But, hey! The system is fair.....right?

John and I still remember the Alamo, also.