For You 60 Series Guys Hp Changes

luvrbus · November 30, 2010, 07:22:49 PM

Visiting my Grandson today at the fire dept in Scottsdale did you guys know the fire trucks equipped with the 60 series both the 12.7 and 14 L have a ECM that the operator can change the HP rating from the dash his 14L he can go from 455 to 515 hp with the push of a button on the 12.7 it goes from 445 to 485 hp.
I never knew those were available, I have saw Cole's setup that runs from a lap top to change his hp but he runs a marine ECM on his 14L series 60 probably worthless info but thought I would pass it on

good luck

robertglines1 · November 30, 2010, 07:48:12 PM

hooked to waste gate?

Hard Headed Ken · November 30, 2010, 08:12:55 PM

3 horse power ratings are available in DDEC IV and V. Usually only 2 are programed. There are three pins on the vehicle side of the ECM that can be activated (using DDDl or DDRS I'll have to be connected to an ECM before all the options come up. I'll post back tomorrow) You can connect these inputs to switch to change ratings instead of having to use a laptop or Prolink. It's what I'm doing and it will have the red cover over the 700 HP switch.

Ken

Busted Knuckle · November 30, 2010, 08:36:20 PM

Quote from: Hard Headed KenIt will have the red cover over the 700 HP switch.
Ken

BK

Ed Brenner · December 01, 2010, 07:12:28 AM

Quote from: Hard Headed KenIt will have the red cover over the 700 HP switch.
Ken

Better Label that switch "Diesel Nitrous"
ED

TomC · December 01, 2010, 07:19:43 AM

Detroit also had Cruise/Power settings. Two horsepower settings-one on the gas pedal and another when in cruise control. It was an effort to encourage the drivers to be in cruise control more often. Examples were- 370/430hp, 430/470hp, 430/500hp, etc. Just another way. Good Luck, TomC

rv_safetyman · December 01, 2010, 07:50:23 AM

In the Series 60 Application and Installation manual they show that option. A simple switch is all that is need as has been said.

The issue is that the ECM has to be loaded with the HP table before the option can be used. Of course, DD headquarters has to approve the change based on the engine number. They have gotten very reluctant to do any changing due to EPA issues.

Ken may have a way around that. He has been doing a ton of playing with some software.

Jim

Hard Headed Ken · December 01, 2010, 08:01:04 AM

There's actually 4 (0,1,2,&3) programmable ratings in DDEC IV and V. I always forget to count the zero. Usually the higher rating is only on when the cruise control is activated (that can be programmed out). The DDEC IV ECM I'm checking has pins G3, J1, J2 and K2 as optional inputs. But there are only 2 options for external HP rating switches in the program. So you can only activate 2 of the available pins as ratings switches. You can have 4 ratings 2 can be selected from the dash and the others from a Prolink or Laptop. I think this also applies to DDEC III but not DDEC I or II. I have not completed the interface for my DDEC V ECM so I can't be sure which pins are optional for the DDEC V. As I'm writing this I'm thinking that if neither of the external rating switches were activated (the software specifically says "rating 1" and "rating 2") then the ECM would default to the o or 4 rating depending on which was selected in the ratings option using a laptop or Prolink. So you could have a choice of 3 ratings from the dash. Trial and error I guess.

As Jim says I am working on the Horse Power increase. You just have to be careful or you can damage the engine. The later Series 60 with the oil cooling jets under the pistons will take a lot more HP than the older block design.

Ken

luvrbus · December 01, 2010, 08:15:32 AM

It always amazes me the technology the 60 series uses from the old 2 strokes like oil cooled pistons and the top of the piston cooled by water 35 and 70 year old technology in the modern 4 strokes lol

good luck

robertglines1 · December 01, 2010, 08:16:19 AM

listening--very close-have 2000 year 60 series..ddec IV valve cover says 430hp at 1200 rpm and 470 hp at 2100rpm. haven't run yet so don't know if I need more! But would like to know it is possible without spending thousands for proper program ECM.. Bob

Hard Headed Ken · December 01, 2010, 08:28:13 AM

Robert it's a fact, the horse power can be increased without the Detroit dealer being involved. The question is. How much can you get away with and the engine still live? Give me the model of your engine BK, GK, or what ever and we maybe able to get a rough ideal of how much power is safe for your engine. If you don't know the model get me the serial number and I can get the model from that. It would be best if you include the serial number I can tell from that which pistons it has and if it has the oilers or not.

Ken

luvrbus · December 01, 2010, 08:37:03 AM

I have the software for the off road series 50 and 60 we could change the setting without going through a DD dealer

good luck

robertglines1 · December 01, 2010, 01:50:27 PM

My unit #06R0497854 Model 6067MK660 Spec# 50126129004 DDEC IV.Any additional info will be appreciated. out of 2000 freightlinner with 10 spd Eaton Autoshift B series. Bob turbo Gta 42

David Anderson · December 01, 2010, 06:51:08 PM

San Antonio FD just had a fire truck flip over on a turn. I wonder if the driver "pushed the button"

http://www.mysanantonio.com/news/local_news/article/4-firefighters-injured-when-fire-truck-flips-813005.php

David

Hard Headed Ken · December 01, 2010, 08:07:10 PM

Robert my parts listing for your engine number shows that your engine is before the oilers were added. Your engine also has the 2 piece cross head pistons where the rod bolts to the wrist pin like the 92 series 2 stroke. I would think a small increase to 500 or so would be safe. Mr Clifford's suggestion of an off road program sounds good. I'm sure it would allow the 470 HP rating all of the time instead of just when on cruise. The off road program probably has a higher horse power setting than 470. Mr Clifford, help out a newbie, am I correct??

Ken