ENGINE FULL OF FUEL (UPDATE)!!!!

[HighTechRedneck]

    Had it towed to the local DD shop, told them to replace all injectors, cross over lines, fuel pump, replace anything and everything it might need!.  Hopefully it won't be to much because it was rebuilt 24,000 miles ago. 

I hope it works out good.  But it would scare me sleepless to give such a broad authorization to a DD shop, or any shop for that matter.  Even assuming the shop is honest and ethical, which is a big assumption these days, a shop with an open mandate like that can find a lot of little things to fix on almost any vehicle/engine.  (It's kind of like going to the dentist, they can always find work that "needs to be done".)

Again, I hope I'm being paranoid.  But you might want to check up on it frequently rather than wait until it's done and then find out you owe them both arms and a leg.

[makemineatwostroke]

I doubt a DD dealer will replace everything pertaining to the fuel supply they will check and find the problem and replace that part.They are not going to replace a bunch of parts only if he insists on replacing the good parts they do like to replace fuel lines in a set ($160.00).thats the way it works at Stewart and Stevenson anyway.  have a great day guys

[Busted Knuckle]

In my past experiences if you take something, anything to any mechanic or shop and tell them do this, this and this, and then see what else it needs. They are going to do just that replace everything you told them to, and then look for other possiblities! They might hold off on the "other stuff" and ask first. But in my experiences in owning vehicles and having them in other shops and also in owning my own shop, most mechanics will replace what the customer tells them too. Then after the customers complains "it's still not fixed and I got a $?.?? BILL?" They simply explain "we did what you told us to do, you didn't ask us to find the problem and call you, before replacing all this stuff. You said do it, so we did!"
NOW HOLD ON! I didn't say it was RIGHT! And I didn't say it was a personal practice of mine. But I have personally seen it time and time again. And it did happen in my shop once!

I was out on the road and a customer brought his truck in and told my mechanic to replace the water pump. Well he did and the customer, paid for it, picked it, and left. Then the next week when I was in the shop the customer came in extremely mad saying "I paid to have my truck fixed and it broke down the same night, after I left here! I had to have it towed in to another shop and they fixed it! It wasn't the water pump that was wrong with it, it was a thermostat!" 

Now I was upset that the customer was upset, and that the truck was not correctly fixed. So I called Woody into the office and asked him why he replaced a water pump and not the the thermostat. He looked the customer in the eye and responded "you told me to replace the water pump and even brought your own water pump in. You didn't ask me to see what the problem was, nor did you tell me what it was doing, or if I thought it could be anything else! You said {hey I need you to put this water pump on so I can take this thing to the auction tonight!}, and THAT'S WHAT I DID!"

Well I wasn't happy to have a customer in the office ranting and raving, and I wasn't happy that it wasn't fixed right. But in Woody's defense I had to back him up and agree with him. If Barry came in and said "here put this water pump on". Then Woody did exactly as Barry told him to do! Now to be honest Woody should have checked the truck over and found out it was a bad thermostat, but he did what Barry (a used car dealer who had a habit of bringing stuff in at the last minute and saying "here I need ya to do this right away" and always had his own parts in the car/truck!) And most times it was not the correct fix. He liked hot wiring electric fans, and other shadey fixes just to "run it thru the auction". He asked us numerous times to "liquid glass" an engine with a bad head gasket, which we refused to do! So in the end Barry got what he asked for, and so did Woody! Barry quit bringing stuff to my shop, until he heard Woody was longer there and then he started bring in stuff again. But he always made sure I was there and he always asked "do ya think that's the problem, or could ya spend 5 mins checking it out?" !!! FWIW   BK 

[steve5B]

   So far what they have found, the guides in the heads where the injectors set in have (for a lack of better words ) WALLERED

   OUT!  They said this is possible because the pounding of the rockers.  I haven't heard of this before, but I really don't know

   much about these type of engines.  If this is the case maybe it won't be to hard to fix!


  Steve 5B......

[makemineatwostroke]

Steve never saw any guides in the heads for injectors the injector its self has a dowel that goes into a hole in the head to keep it in alignment is this the part that worn out or is he talking about the follower and plunger on top of the injector  have a great day

[Dallas]

I was thinking that maybe what Steve was talking about was the injector tubes.

Dallas

Steve never saw any guides in the heads for injectors the injector its self has a dowel that goes into a hole in the head to keep it in alignment is this the part that wore out or is he talking about the follower and plunger on top of the injector  have a great day

[steve5B]

   Mkemineatwostroke, Dallas,


   Maybe that's what it is, like I formentioned not knowing anything about a diesel engine.  Since you brought that part up I do remember them saying something about a stand or tube.  Do injectors sit in a tube?   I feel pretty stupid asking questions about mechenics , when I'm a oil--fuel chemists!   Sorry for the mistake.


Steve 5B.....

[makemineatwostroke]

Steve the injectors do go into a tube surrounded by water when the tube fails it is usually water in the oil and I would in no way feel stupid asking questions  and fwiw when a follower and plunger fail most of the time it is from wear on the shaft and rocker arms causing it to push down on the edge and not the center of the injector    have a great day

[steve5B]

   Got the news late today that several of the injectors have to be replaced due to , what they say is that the rod that runs through the injectors are leaking .  They told me that this is called the rack.  Haven't a clue on what he was talking about.

Anyway looks like I get it back on Saturday.  As for the price, around (exchanged) $75.00.  Is that a normal price?  Labor around

$ 900.00!

Steve  5B........

[makemineatwostroke]

Steve that is the rack it has gears to control the amount of fuel to the engine $75.00 is a fair price for injectors and the labor price for what is involved is not that bad they will run  the rack and time the injectors so you are getting  tune up with the change   have a great evening

[Busted Knuckle]

I agree it sounds like a fair price. And it should show a noticeable improvement in performance too! Have a great day.   BK 

[steve5B]

  THANKS TO EVERYONE FOR ALL YOUR IMPUT, LOOKING FORWARD TO GETTING IT BACK TOMORROW.

  WILL LET YOU KNOW HOW IT PREFORMS!



STEVE 5B......