Is this a stupid idea or not?

belfert · August 04, 2008, 08:18:47 AM

I have completely removed all walls and anything else that was attached to the floor so I can tile the bus from front to rear with vinyl composition tiles. The couch and seats have been unbolted, but they are still in the bus. They are a royal pain to remove from the bus beside the need for storage space if they are removed.

Any reasons I couldn't just suspend the couch and old bus seats from the ceiling with some chain? I would put some heavy self drilling screws in the ceiling beams.

Would this put too much weight on the ceiling framework?

H3Jim · August 04, 2008, 08:22:47 AM

Or you could just put the furniture at one end, tile the other, then move the furniture to the tiled area and finish.

I would not hesitate to do the hanging thing either, but I would be more concerned about the fasteners holding. Not sure about the Dina roof structure, you're the best judge of that, but my Prevost, allows you to walk on the roof, and I have hung some pretty heavy things from mine.

belfert · August 04, 2008, 08:37:01 AM

The issue is I am hiring a guy to lay the tile and he wants to do the whole bus in one evening.

I would prefer not to remove the couch and seats, plus I have no one to help me remove the stuff the stuff tonight.

Nick Badame Refrig/ACC · August 04, 2008, 08:48:23 AM

Hi Brian,

I would do as Jim has stated. If you hang them, the fasteners will be the issue for sure.

Or, if the floor guy is not up to your likings, drop a couch on him...

Good Luck
Nick-

Blacksheep · August 04, 2008, 08:56:26 AM

Brian if this guy is experienced, he can do the bus in one night even with the furniture in the bus! He can do half, if that half is moved to the rear, then move the furniture to the finished part and continue on to the rear with the tile. This tile s not like ceramic where you can't get on it for a day wile it sets up in the thin set. VCT can be walked on immediately after installation IF he doesn't wet install it. In other words, make sure he installs it AFTER the clear thin set adhesive is completely dry to the touch! If he wet sets it, you will have problems with the glue bleeding thru the cracks of each tile and it will do it for a very long time which turns a nasty black color! Also make sure he uses the right size trowel for this tile which is 1/16 x 1/16. Put a fan on it to speed up te drying time. Make sure he starts in the middle so you don't have small cuts along the walls!
HTH

Ace

Busted Knuckle · August 04, 2008, 09:04:42 AM

Hi Brian,
It appears to me that those who would know best have spoken! I would say pay very close attn. to Ace's post as HE is definitely one who knows his stuff when it comes to this. If the guy has a problem helping you move the couch and chairs a short distance, I'd say goodbye as it seems he's not the kind of person ya want working for ya anyway! Just my 2 cents! YMMV!

BK

belfert · August 04, 2008, 09:22:46 AM

This guys seems to know what he is doing. He said it would take up to an hour and a half for the cement to set up before lays the tile. He also said that he would use a wider trowel because he is going over wood instead of concrete.

I didn't ask him about putting the furniture on the tile right away, but if that was possible it would cause issues because he couldn't put down all the adhesive at once and would have to wait for the adhesive to dry twice.

My bus is 95 1/2" between the walls so I plan to have him start at the center. That means the outside tiles will need to be cut by 1/4" each.

Blacksheep · August 04, 2008, 09:35:29 AM

Yea don't count on that holding true especially in a bus!
It doesn't take 1 1/2 hours for the glue to dry either especially with a fan but to each his own I guess!
Good luck!
Ace

belfert · August 04, 2008, 09:46:52 AM

Quote from: Busted Knuckle on August 04, 2008, 09:04:42 AM
Hi Brian,
It appears to me that those who would know best have spoken! I would say pay very close attn. to Ace's post as HE is definitely one who knows his stuff when it comes to this. If the guy has a problem helping you move the couch and chairs a short distance, I'd say goodbye as it seems he's not the kind of person ya want working for ya anyway! Just my 2 cents! YMMV! BK

The issue is the glue curing time required if the adhesive has to put down two seperate times. He might not have time to do it in one evening if the furniture has to be moved.

This guy is traveling a fair distance and both he and I really want it done in one evening. He would prefer not to make a second trip and I don't really want to pay for the second trip, plus I get an extra evening to work on reassembling the interior if it is done in one evening.

belfert · August 04, 2008, 09:50:00 AM

Quote from: Blacksheep on August 04, 2008, 09:35:29 AM
Yea don't count on that holding true especially in a bus!
It doesn't take 1 1/2 hours for the glue to dry either especially with a fan but to each his own I guess!
Good luck!

Ace, what part of the job are you referring to when you say "don't on that holding true especially in a bus!"?

I think an hour and a half for the glue to cure is a little long since the adhesive says 30 to 45 minutes in the instructions.

Bob Gil · August 04, 2008, 09:50:56 AM

Quote from: Blacksheep on August 04, 2008, 08:56:26 AM
If he wet sets it, you will have problems with the glue bleeding thru the cracks of each tile and it will do it for a very long time which turns a nasty black color!
HTH

Ace

What can be done after this has happened?

I have the black sticky stuff coming up between the lits on my floor (AVION) and have not found an answer to cleaning it up.

Blacksheep · August 04, 2008, 10:08:58 AM

Ok to be my old blunt self...
It's STUPID idea!
Just move junk to the rear, spread the glue on exposed half, wait 15-20 minutes using a fan and install the tile! Anything much longer and your guy is taking way too many smoke breaks or is milking the job! Move your junk forward and repeat the process! DONE!
As for cutting only 1/4 inch off each side? That's what I'm referring to when I say good luck! Chances are you will find it a better looking job if you have a 6 or 7 inch piece!
As for the black mess. Bleeding thru the cracks? Mineral spirits will work but be sure to wash the residue up with clear water afterwards! I have seen residue eventually melt the surface!
Ace

belfert · August 04, 2008, 10:24:16 AM

Since I'm paying by the piece and not the hour I am sure the guy won't be wasting any time.

I'll talk to him and see if he will be okay with moving the furniture.

Blacksheep · August 04, 2008, 10:40:33 AM

To thew Moderators:

I apologize if I was too blunt in my above post to Brian and hope this doesn't get me banned for being so!

I was just having a low moment in life and should have thought first!

Ace

H3Jim · August 04, 2008, 10:50:55 AM

Gosh Ace, I thought your response was entirely appropriate, and would not have taken any offense. But then generally I like bluntness, saves time...