To NCBob (and all of us)

[Len Silva]

Bob wrote:

"Two nights ago I was in the Bus Garage with about 5 or 6 other BusNuts having a great time.  We were discussing, chiding and teasing each other and it was a GREAT time.  I'd had a few adult beverages and was feeling a bit more capricious than normal and posted a comment, not related to truth, about one of our own for which I have made a personal apology.

I then removed my profile from the Board, in total shame, because of what I said.  If you don't think that was a living Hell for me...you're mistaken."

It is sometimes very difficult to express ourselves online and very easy to be misunderstood.
Sarcasm is especially easy to be misread.

What ever happened on the night in question, chances are, if you had just been hanging around the real garage with the same guys and made the same remarks (however stupid), it would have just blown over. Or, you would have sensed from other's reactions that you maybe screwed up, and fixed it on the spot.

The point is, that without body language and voice inflections, communications can be troublesome.

We must be very careful  with what we say, and very forgiving of each other if something just doesn't come out right.

FWIW

Len Silva

[Melbo]

Len sometimes I think we are too hard on ourselves.

-- Not on this board -- I have had a similar experience where there was a miscommunication.

Everyone else was fine with what was "typed" but it bothered me for a long time. Just out of context or not appropriate at the time.

Good Luck

Melbo

[FloridaCliff]

It is sometimes very difficult to express ourselves online and very easy to be misunderstood.
Sarcasm is especially easy to be misread.


The point is, that without body language and voice inflections, communications can be troublesome.

We must be very careful  with what we say, and very forgiving of each other if something just doesn't come out right.

Len Silva

One of the interesting side notes on our hobby is meeting for the first time some of the people that you communicate with online but,

do not really know.  There have been a few people over the years who "sounded" a little harsh too me, but when in person and

getting the feedback of facial expressions, etc... were really very nice.

Len is right on target here, lets give each other the benefit of the doubt before we jump to any conclusions.

And the Bus Conversion Brotherhood said "AMEN"

Cliff

[Ace]

Cliff that may be true in most cases but I for one know all too well that there are those that come across this and other sites as a pure butthead (aka @$#) and after a personal meeting, it fit thier character just as much then and still does! FWIW 

Ace

On a side note, you still planning on Timmonsville in October?

[Busted Knuckle]

Ace your right and I must apologize that's just the way I am! Always have been always will be! But hey I'm like a bad check I keep bouncing back! THERES NO GETTING RID OF ME! LOL! No seriously! I'm probably one of the worst smart asses there is on this and other boards but I'm also that way in person too! And I hope that people realize I'm just a smart @$# and don't take it personally when I am! I absolutely mean to be joking anytime I come off as being a PIA, and don't mean any offense to anyone and if I do offend some of you just smack me down a little and I'll try to behave for a day or two! LOL! By the way I try to show happy smileys so people can tell what an @$# I am!  .

Now on a serious note we have lost another valuable member, because every time he posted something he felt certain people didn't take him or his knowledge seriously, and harrassed him about it! I told myself I wasn't going to bring it up on here and was going to give it time while trying to convince him to come back, but I feel since it fits right in the subject line of this thread I'd go ahead and mention it! aHopefully we can all learn something from these little unfortunate experiences and step a little more sofly! As I said above I really never mean any harm when I'm posting on this board and I know I'm a smart @$# , and I will try to keep it in check from now on. But also please remember I've been this way for 41 of my 40yrs here on earth ! BK
oh and ahhh 1 more thing!


We gonna have FUN at Knuckle's "Fall TN Bus Bash"!

[Ace]

BK,

aka knucklehead,

aka smartass,

aka rally promoter.... It ain't you!!!!!!!!![/color][/shadow]

[FloridaCliff]

there are those that come across this and other sites as a pure butthead (aka @$#) and after a personal meeting, it fit thier character just as much then and still does! FWIW 

Ahhh Yes,  The exception to the rule, anyone in particular 

Yes, I am still planning on a repeat visit to Timmonsvillle. 

Mostly depends on what happens with the storm season around then.

Cliff

[Christyhicks]

Hmmm, I guess I miss ALL the interesting stuff. . . didn't see where anyone was being a jerk. . .  didn't see anyone harrassing anyone else. . . either I'm not very with it, or people are extremely sensitive.   

I think that we all have information to offer, but it is natural when there are a bunch of intelligent people on a forum, they are going to disagree and probably even do a bit arguing.  In fact, that's generally how it is in life.  My husband used to tell me that he didn't like it when I let the guys argue with me.  Said "You're the boss, they should just do whatever you say!"    I would counter with the fact that I try to hire the smartest guys I can, and along with intelligence usually comes self confidence, and occasionally, a firm conviction that they are right about something.  I want guys who can think for themselves and do so.  The trade off is that we do sometimes debate how to perform a task or handle a situation, and that's OK, because if I need to, I do pull rank, but not until after we've discussed the situation and I've listened to what they have to say. You know what, sometimes they're right.

I guess all I'm saying is that there will and should be debate over ideas and methods.  If everyone always agrees. . well, we're sure not learning anything.  It's only through debate that we learn other ways to look at a situation, and we see things we may have missed. 

Of course, debate can and should be friendly, so if someone has been rude, well, that's too bad and there's no call for that.  On the other hand, if I say something and you think I"m wrong, you sure as heck better disagree with me so that others don't follow my "wrong" lead.   I would hope you would respect me enough to know that  "I'm a big girl, and I can take it"!  Anyway, that's just my opinion!   Christy Hicks

[DrivingMissLazy]

I certainly agree with you BK, and am very sorry to see him and his knowledge go.

I feel that I am, somewhat/somehow, responsible for this turn of events, but I have really searched the posts and my recollection and can not recall anything that I said or did that caused the hard feelings. I apologized profusely on the board to him  for whatever it was I did, but apparently to no avail. Maybe it wasn't me. I really do not know. I am sure we will miss his knowledge, and great photos.
Richard

Now on a serious note we have lost another valuable member, because every time he posted something he felt certain people didn't take him or his knowledge seriously, and harrassed him about it! I told myself I wasn't going to bring it up on here and was going to give it time while trying to convince him to come back, but I feel since it fits right in the subject line of this thread I'd go ahead and mention it! aHopefully we can all learn something from these little unfortunate experiences and step a little more sofly!

[FloridaCliff]

Richard,

I followed the chain of events that was POSTED, and in know way did I see you as responsible.

Again , this was more of a mispercetion on several fronts, which increased as NO real "face to face" communication exsisted.

Maybe a good reason to send an IM, so as not to do a public argument on a point.

We have to remember that we have an audience of 700+/- and thats akin to a public scolding.

FWIW

Cliff