Latest from CARB - note: privately owned buses

[Dreamscape]

We lived in the LA area for a few years. I noticed that in 2005 the push for the regulations for commercial use was beginning. First they started with off road equipment such as front end loaders etc. The next stage was supposed to be commercial trucks. I cannot imagine that replacing most of their Crown School Buses will happen anytime soon, and they have a bunch of them.

I'm just glad we don't live there anymore, too many people and too much smog. Although we have children and grands there, it's only for a visit and then we're gone. Otherwise I see no reason to go back.

A lot of the regs get changed for one reason or another, and I suspect that more will change. They are trying to eliminate all smoking diesels, I don't really blame them. Sometimes you cannot even see the mountains because of the smog. When the Santa Ana's blow it is beautiful and clear.

Don Fairchild will be a good go to guy as time goes on as he deals with our beloved beast, the screaming DD!

Paul

[captunderdog]

Mexico wants CA back real bad, I say give it to 'em.

[TomC]

So far- motorhomes and RV's are still exempt.  But-that might change.  Even the current smogged up engines with particulate traps are still 50% more fuel efficient than the 2 strokers.  When it comes to the breaking point, which for many will be many years, retrofit the entire engine and transmission.  On my truck conversion, I have a Caterpillar 3406B 400hp with air to water aftercooler.  When it comes time, I'll just have a Cummins ISL or ISM (Caterpillar is getting out the truck engine industry [providing engines to other OEM's] by 2010-at which time they will be making their engines for their own on road trucks and for International only-read that today) installed with current traps, even though it will probably cost around $35-50,000 to do.  But, what could you buy for $50,000 that's built that well?  Nothing.  Good Luck, TomC

[HB of CJ]

Boy, am I glad I moved out of Commiefornia way back in 1987.  Political refugee.  Now live in SW OR and it is darn near perfect. 

[Dallas]

Boy, am I glad I moved out of Commiefornia way back in 1987.  Political refugee.  Now live in SW OR and it is darn near perfect. 

The problem with Oregon, (My Birth State), is that all the people from California that didn't like the laws and bunny huggers there have moved north and Settled in Oregon.. basically Californicating Orygun.

I moved out of state in the 70's because of silly laws and conditions of owning property in certain areas.

As an example... One of my neighbors in the Bend/Sisters area used horses for logging, his saw mill was run by water wheel, he lived Off Grid, and he used a "sanolet" (SP?) electric toilet for his household waste. Everything that went into his house as food stuffs came back out as an alternate use; fertilizer, animal fodder, direct animal food, etc.

The state cars pulled in one day with an injunction to stop him and make him show cause that his processes were not harmful to the natural state of the land.

It ended up going to the Oregon Supreme Court and he was fined some ungodly amount and forced to have his household waste hauled to a dump site.

Oh, and they also found that since his horses weren't "natural" to the area he needed to diaper them when using them in his own forested acreage for logging.

What a bunch of BS.

My pair o' pennies on this one.

Dallas

[Lin]

I really expect that motorhomes will remain exempt.  The RV industry is a pretty active lobby, and they will keep on top of things like this.  When they say motorhomes, they are not even thinking of the evil DD.  We will probably just be lucky enough to ride on the exemption wave.  With regard to stopping non-complying vehicles at the border, I do not think any lawyer would say they could get away with it.  If they try, they will loose in court like they have on other interstate commerce issues.  On the positive side, since people rarely approach things is a rational, moderate way, it generally takes extremists on both sides of any issue to make small changes through compromise.  Nader may be a nut, but cars are safer now.  Air quality in Los Angeles is a lot better than it once was.  I know there may be lots of things that have gotten worse, but that's part of the deal too.  To say "we're only human" is not merely an excuse.  It's a fact!