standfordnewage generators

[TomC]

Sean- then the next inverter will be like yours-since it does start the simple type of gen sets!

Bill- round figures- if you live on the east coast, go with Powertech out of Leesburg, Fla (I didn't know about Dick Wright yet).  If you live on the west coast, go with Wrico International out of Eugene, Or.  I don't think you'll be dissappointed with either.  Good Luck, TomC

[Ncbob]

For many, many years all Onan generator ends were designed and built at the Onan factory near Minneapolis.
Back in the early to mid 90's, I was working for Cummins Atlantic at the time, they made the change in the larger standby units to the Stamford-Newage generator ends.  By contrast to what we'd been working with for years this was a radical departure from common sense as far as the techs were concerned.  Warranty claims and wasted time hit record highs. In short they were overrated and under wound.

Gradually, the Cummins policy, they discontinued the in house wound ends and switched to the imported ends. It took a whole new family of controls and boards to keep these newer units functioning properly. Someone mentioned the lack of interfacing and technology exchange between the different amrs of the Cummins monster and it was true.  Not only did the factory techs not know how to cure these problems but no one was allowed to contact anyone at Stamford.

How does business make more profit?  They take the cost out of the product. So instead of remaining competitive with the quality windings that Onan had always supplied Mother Cummins decided to make more profit at the expense of reducing the overall quality of the product.

Basically that's why today Onan generators are generally though of on a par with Generac and the rest of the junk out there on the market. Trust this.....Cummins will control every product in their stable to the degree that it costs them market share and customer satisfaction. Cummins Engine Company is nothing more than a big money machine.  No heart, no sentiment...just money.

FWIW I was reading about the "New, lightweight 650 HP ISX Cummins Engine soon to be offered in the upper echelon RV coaches"...Somehow in my heart of hearts I don't believe I want to be the future owner of one of these. 650 HP and 1950 ft. Lbs. of torque in a 'lightweight' engine. The combination doesn't appeal to me.

Bob

Bob

[DrivingMissLazy]

For many, many years all Onan generator ends were designed and built at the Onan factory near Minneapolis.
Back in the early to mid 90's, I was working for Cummins Atlantic at the time, they made the change in the larger standby units to the Stamford-Newage generator ends.  By contrast to what we'd been working with for years this was a radical departure from common sense as far as the techs were concerned.  Warranty claims and wasted time hit record highs. In short they were overrated and under wound.

Gradually, the Cummins policy, they discontinued the in house wound ends and switched to the imported ends. It took a whole new family of controls and boards to keep these newer units functioning properly. Someone mentioned the lack of interfacing and technology exchange between the different amrs of the Cummins monster and it was true.  Not only did the factory techs not know how to cure these problems but no one was allowed to contact anyone at Stamford.

How does business make more profit?  They take the cost out of the product. So instead of remaining competitive with the quality windings that Onan had always supplied Mother Cummins decided to make more profit at the expense of reducing the overall quality of the product.

Basically that's why today Onan generators are generally though of on a par with Generac and the rest of the junk out there on the market. Trust this.....Cummins will control every product in their stable to the degree that it costs them market share and customer satisfaction. Cummins Engine Company is nothing more than a big money machine.  No heart, no sentiment...just money.

FWIW I was reading about the "New, lightweight 650 HP ISX Cummins Engine soon to be offered in the upper echelon RV coaches"...Somehow in my heart of hearts I don't believe I want to be the future owner of one of these. 650 HP and 1950 ft. Lbs. of torque in a 'lightweight' engine. The combination doesn't appeal to me.

Bob

Bob

Bob, I am really sorry to hear that the Stamford Newage alternators went to the dogs after Cummins bought them. I bought literally dozens of them in the 80's when I was manufacturing rotary power converters and power conditioners for the computer market place. I do not recall ever having a problem with one of them.

I tried alternators from many companies from all over the world and the ones from Mexico and Italy were the only ones I ever had problems with.

Richard

PS Just remembered, I purchased a large number of alternators from Leroy Somer, a French company. They were good rotaries also.

[Ncbob]

Richard, looking back over my shoulder I can't truthfully state that the problems were totally with the S/N ends Onan was buying.  Much of my concern had to be bounced back to the Application Engineers.  In many instances I saw where undersized exciter rotors and stators were affixed to gensets and loads far too large for their capablilty.  And, Onan's incessant desire to design and build their own in-house controls, which were less than overbuilt,  in order to maintain proprietary control made a package that we're seeing the results of in the RV market today.

Naturally, input from the field (where all the failures were taking place) was not the direction from which the upper echelons wished to hear.

It's their world...they built it.....live in it!

Bob