12v Refrigerator vs. 120

[luvrbus]

Diesel engines burn so clean and are so efficient now they will be around for a long time ,it will take years to upgrade our electric grid to handle the EV's.I see the line daily of EV's in line waiting for a charge in Needles,the owner of the local DQ say he loves the EV's his business is booming from people waiting for a charge.With the lost revenue from fuel taxes every highway in America will become a friggn toll road   

[CrabbyMilton]

Shorter runs<200 miles with this EV J4500 may be fine but long distance charters not so much. I don't have the greatest confidence that the people at the hotel would even know how to work the charger and keep it in good repair. For my experience, if the hotel can't even vacuum the hallways and make sure there's coffee for breakfast, what makes you think some 20 year old can make sure the EV chargers are gonna work?
Yes, diesel is going to be around for awhile yet.

[Lee Bradley]

Diesel engines burn so clean and are so efficient now they will be around for a long time ,it will take years to upgrade our electric grid to handle the EV's.I see the line daily of EV's in line waiting for a charge in Needles,the owner of the local DQ say he loves the EV's his business is booming from people waiting for a charge.With the lost revenue from fuel taxes every highway in America will become a friggn toll road

Don't have to have toll roads like they used to. All the new cars have GPS tracking built in, the state will just bill you for the miles traveled each month.

[luvrbus]

Don't have to have toll roads like they used to. All the new cars have GPS tracking built in, the state will just bill you for the miles traveled each month.

That is one way to do it, anyways the green deal is going to cost and you could make bet government agencies are not giving up the tax dollars generated from fuel sales 

[freds]

That is one way to do it, anyways the green deal is going to cost and you could make bet government agencies are not giving up the tax dollars generated from fuel sales

Here in WA state you pay an $100.00 for your car tabs for electric vehicles. Of course that covers the state not the federal government.

[chessie4905]

there will only be savings till widespread adoption. after that, all kinds of fees will be added. then comes summer brownouts. and regularily running major storms with power disruptions, and what about hurricane mandatory evacuations, etc?
Is vehicle batttery theft going to follow catalitic converter theft?
early adopters will reap biggest savings for first few years. how many years is unknown.
every battery I've ever seen or experienced has a reduction of state of charge capacity as time passes. Although my norelco shaver cordless has lasted for years and still holds a decent charge length. I've also heard Priuus's are going beyond 8 years on battery life.

[CrabbyMilton]

Battery charge seems to vary. I too have a NORELCO shaver I use every day. It's 7 years old and it lasts up to 2 weeks on a charge. Yet my weed eater has killer power for about 15 minutes then needs over 6 hours to charge it. Those batteries in that new J4500 EV will over time lose capability and I shudder to think if it will suddenly crap out in extreme hot or cold weather ruining a charter trip.

[luvrbus]

The state of CA asks people not to use their EV's over the labor day weekend,because of other problems their grid is overloaded, and we were asked to reduce our power usage so the power can go to CA ,could be the 1-amp draw fridges would help CA too

[chessie4905]

after they blamed the power company for all the fires, Me thinks the power company is going to not be in the best of mood in the future. more power! no coal, no oil, no natural gas, no nuclear! Use wind power and solar. yeah, right.

[CrabbyMilton]

A fun game to play with people who are lefties. Name a method how to generate electricity and they'll likely find an excuse why it shouldn't be utilized.