Firearms in the bus?

[chessie4905]

Just make sure you have a good lawyer when the "progressive" Local DA charges you for violating some thug or thugs civil rights or lives.

[tr206]

I would rather deal with a progessive DA then be dead right?

[chessie4905]

You would think so.

[luvrbus]

We had a home invasion about 10 years ,a guy from Orgeon was convicted 3 times before he walked after 6 months in jail on a plea.Reading the local paper he was busted again about a month ago he will end killing some family before they do anything about it

[richard5933]

Looking at the numbers from 2020, it looks like the increase in murder rates doesn't follow any pattern as far as red/blue states.

Some of the largest increases were in KY, SD, and MT, hardly places where you'll find too many of what you're calling progressive DAs. The states with the biggest drops were in found in New England as well as some very red states, indicating again that it's not a factor just of political leanings.

[luvrbus]

Crime is increasing everywhere some states just do a better job,you are not going to find any accurate information on Google they are to self serving ,St Louis and Chicago are the murder capitols of the US along with more Eastern states even CA  and Texas and have increased. Population plays a big part 1 murder in a state with 700,000 people will leap frog a state with 10,000 million people what is the population of MT and SD maybe 2 million total for both states.For me it is all about protecting my wife and I carry enough fire power to do that I hope and pray 

[richard5933]

Crime is increasing everywhere some states just do a better job,you are not going to find any accurate information on Google,St Louis and Chicago are the murder capitols of the US along with more Eastern states

Ok. Then explain the drastic increases in states like Montana and South Dakota?

If you want to strike all the data I'm finding, then where are you finding your data? What source are you using for facts which you consider reliable?

[luvrbus]

Richard how many homicides did MT have ?.You can do your own research to back up your ideas

[richard5933]

Richard how many homicides did MT have ?.You can do your own research to back up your ideas

I've done my research and can back up what I'm saying. It seems like you're basing your statements on raw numbers of murders though and not murder rates.

Of course cities with larger populations are going to have more homicides, just like they'll have more of all types of crimes. More people = more things being done wrong. But this is not the same thing as comparing murder rates  on a per capita basis - how many bad things are happening per 100,000 citizens. This is the only way to compare crime rates between cities of different sizes. How likely a citizen is to encounter a violent crime has much more to do with crime rates than the raw number of crimes.

Looking at it another way, let's compare two vehicle manufacturers. One sells a 100,000 cars in a year and another 100. The larger company has 500 vehicles which develop a serious problem and the smaller one only 50.

Which company is doing better making quality vehicles? I'd say the larger company is doing much better. Even though they had a higher number of problems using raw data, they only had a 0.5% failure rate. The smaller company with a smaller raw number of failures had a 50% failure rate.

Which company would you rather buy a car from? Based on how you're looking at murder numbers it sounds like you'd rather buy from the smaller company since they had only 1/10th the number of failures. But, that would give you a 50% chance of a problem. I'd buy from the larger company. Even though they had more failures, I'd only have a 0.5% chance of a problem.

It's the same thing when comparing things like murder rates - using raw numbers doesn't tell the whole story.

[Jim Blackwood]

OK, here's a weird one for you. A Bowie knife is legal in all 50 states. Several states have an exception in their laws specifically for the Bowie knife where they have outlawed just about everything else. Why? You got me. Not only was it designed and used as a dueling weapon, but it is one of the few knives that is reasonably effective and reliable when thrown, provided you hit your target. (even if it doesn't stick) Perhaps it is because it is an effective hunting knife and capable of killing large game, boars in particular.

But if you'd like a pretty effective alternative, how about a 16" crescent wrench? Excellent close quarters weapon and quite the deterrent. A well disguised mace in effect. (and, well, Morning Stars are illegal) In fact any combo wrench over 1-1/2" would be very effective, might be a good idea to keep one just inside the door. Questions may be raised after the fact, but just a light tap with that bad boy should get an instant reaction so mamma can weigh in if need be, and those questions all have maintenance related answers.

As for the guns, racking the pump on the 12 gage almost always does the trick and if not a shot in the air isn't going to do much damage. That should be adequate notice for even the most liberal DA. But just to be clear, odds are if you have to shoot there's an excellent chance you will die.

Jim

[niles500]

Murder rates are a ridiculous measurement, a state with one murder one year and has 2 the next year the rate is 100% increase and a state with a hundred  one year and 101 the next has a 1% increase. Beware there is no standardized reporting between any cities or states as to how crimes are classified. If a crime is committed and no REPORT IS MADE the crime never occurred, if all crimes resulted in a report the crime rate would astound you.

[luvrbus]

Murder rates are a ridiculous measurement, a state with one murder one year and has 2 the next year the rate is 100% increase and a state with a hundred  one year and 101 the next has a 1% increase. Beware there is no standardized reporting between any cities or states as to how crimes are classified. If a crime is committed and no REPORT IS MADE the crime never occurred, if all crimes resulted in a report the crime rate would astound you.

Well said Niles  some just don't get it

[windtrader]

@jim - https://statutes.capitol.texas.gov/docs/pe/htm/pe.46.htm
FYI - Knifes longer than 5.5" which includes virtually all Bowie knives can not be openly carried in the state of texas.


I do very much like the idea of simply carrying an ordinary, common tool which in many cases is more effective than many banned weapons.


Here's a great option that will pass even TSA checkpoint - walking stick or cane. Some that fall under the "tactical" category will not pass but if they are functional, they would surely be more acceptable on the street.


Even a standard natural cane walking stick that has a big ball bearing glued on as the handle is sure to cause some pain if swung into a prep's body or head.


As to crime stats - all a load of BS for the most part. You and I all know which streets and neighborhoods to avoid unless you want to get into a fight or shot. You all know which streets are totally safe to walk around at night. Local, micro crime stats are totally worthwhile for this purpose.


Crime stats at city wide, regional, state level may be interesting to ponder while sitting on the composting toilet in your bus conversion but I assure you knowing where a state ranks in overall per capital murders will not make you safer one iota.

[Nova Eona]

Y'all trippin.  He specifically was talking about the per capita crime rate, not the specific change vector year to year, get that strawman argument out of here.  This is how all serious studies on crime are worked, because the total number of crimes is tied inseparably to the total population and will always be trending upward to some degree over a broad enough timescale so long as the population continues to grow.

To spin your strawman around, I live in NH, population 1.36 million.  If we miraculously only had a single murder this year, that murder rate would be 0.000074% per capita.  If our number of murders doubled the next year, that rate would scream all the way up to 0.000147% - who cares what the delta is(100% increase), that still tells you you are insanely unlikely to be murdered in NH.

(For fun, NH's murder rate in 1960 was 1.318% (8 murders out of 606,921), in 2019 it was 0.0024%(33 murders out of 1,359,711)

As to the idea that they just aren't reported - then how the heck do you miraculously know how many crimes there were?  Please frame your answer in the form of not an anecdote.  Even if we say the official numbers have been off by some percentage due to lack of reporting, there is no reason to believe that inaccuracy is increasing over time, and the numbers still trend toward substantially less violent crime now than there was in the past.

[Van]

When I was about 25 travelling Montana in my truck, I came over the hill and in the road was a little Muley buck. Three broken legs and broken ribs sticking out. I had no firearm and watched a sad death. Never travelled again without tossing a pistol in the glovebox. Travelling in the RVs we've had and now the bus, I still toss in my Glock. Never gave it a thought until recently. A friend with fiberglass coach started last year full time with spouse going everywhere. He purchased the 2021 rules on firearms for each state. After he read the handgun rules for different states, i.e. "ammo must be stored separately, handgun can be in coach area because it is the home but must be out of reach of driver area. and bla, bla, bal.". And don't travel through NY / NJ with a handgun without a permit??
He gave up on handgun. Now just carries a shotgun. Part of that decision is that a shotgun can even go into Canada. I used my Glock for 8 years with a police department but I better not take it to New Jersey? Really? Well then how about a police escort as I travel through your sorry state on my way to Maine!
My father in law recently gave me his really cool bottom ejection short barrel Mossberg. I think I'll just do that and quit worrying.
As you respond with your solution, remember to say "A guy that looks a lot like me in a bus like mine....does this".

To round out this thread before it gets locked down (and it will) Ted if you are traveling in your Bus to a state that allows your weapon and must travel through states such as NJ. NY (Gulp ) utilize the services of your local FFL dealer to ship the weapon to a FFl dealer at your destination and stay legal. And with that I will wish everyone a safe and Merry Christmas and a Happy New Years whether on the road traveling or at home.

Peace on Earth & Good will towards man.