Speaking of Green new deal and our buses

[niles500]

2 largest factors on  the horizon are 1) emerging battery technology will be lighter cheaper and longer range 2) the future of long range charging will be imbedded in the road and will charge you as you are moving

[windtrader]

2 largest factors on  the horizon are 1) emerging battery technology will be lighter cheaper and longer range 2) the future of long range charging will be imbedded in the road and will charge you as you are moving

Agree with first one. Already the next gen of energy storage is being developed - solid state - don't ask how that works. lol


Charging on the road was an early concept. I don't see it happening as the costs seems very large, my opinion. Plus the amount of current that can be passed would be a lot less than via plugin.


After posting that last note about the extra $2000 credit for CA drivers, it got me seriously looking for one. Sort of crazy price disruptions going on too. 2022 Chevy Bolt Gets Upgrades, $5,000 Price Drop


So now we at $15,000 off sticker, really makes you want to check it out, at least me.

[Jim Blackwood]

JC I stand corrected, and I'm not surprised. I was trying to be conservative but with a house today running $1/2M I admit I overdid it. What are your thoughts on battery swapping and embedded roadway power? I think I can guess.

The very idea of creating a magnetic flux six inches to a foot above the roadbed that is intense enough to be picked up and used to drive a string of vehicles is ludicrous. Physics demands much shorter distances for magnetics, so that embedded power concept never had the first chance. Not only will we not see it soon, we will never see it.

Now the garage floor inductive coupler is a good idea and has the potential at least to bring the EV into the mainstream. It's hard to overestimate the impact of removing the cord from the everyday commute. Given the choice of plugging in and unplugging the car as opposed to parking on top of a puck, the consumer will choose the puck every single time. This is actually a much bigger issue than recharging because it is a daily event as opposed to a seasonal event like the extended trip. The reason that can work when the roadway idea cannot is that the coupling distance can be greatly reduced, and it has to be to work. There is no way we are building a massive CERN collider into all our roads.

But, shifting the energy load from crude to the power grid is going to cause no end of trouble once this gets rolling. Think Texas had it bad? You ain't seen nothin yet.

Jim

[richard5933]

....But, shifting the energy load from crude to the power grid is going to cause no end of trouble once this gets rolling. Think Texas had it bad? You ain't seen nothin yet.

Jim

On this piece we agree totally. Our power grid is still largely running on 100+ year old technology. It's been in need of updating for decades now, and maybe the push towards EVs will be what's needed to make it happen.

[chessie4905]

Thank you Californians for ponying up your taxes ro supply these subsidies. And supporting more non US manufacturers. More of the same.

[chessie4905]

Thank you Californians for ponying up your taxes ro supply these subsidies. And supporting more non US manufacturers. More of the same.

[richard5933]

Thank you Californians for ponying up your taxes ro supply these subsidies. And supporting more non US manufacturers. More of the same.

A little more research/information on this shows that there are US companies manufacturing vehicles which also qualify.

Here's a list I found online which definitely shows US companies included: https://www.fueleconomy.gov/feg/taxevb.shtml

The California program doesn't appear to specify which manufacturers are included: https://cleanvehiclerebate.org/eng/ev/incentives/state-and-federal

[tr206]

Wow! Some great debates going on here. So not to change the subject much but do we have any supporters of Bill Gates push for synthetic meat to curb climate change (rid the world of cow farts) and will it require refrigeration and does it make us gassy if we eat it because that wouldn't be good and should we ban gassy foods altogether for the human emitter? Just curious.

[Nova Eona]

Wow! Some great debates going on here. So not to change the subject much but do we have any supporters of Bill Gates push for synthetic meat to curb climate change (rid the world of cow farts) and will it require refrigeration and does it make us gassy if we eat it because that wouldn't be good and should we ban gassy foods altogether for the human emitter? Just curious.

Synthetic meat?  Sure, why not?  If they can make it as healthy or healthier, as tasty or tastier, and as cheap or cheaper than farm-grown meat - all of which lie within the realm of possibility - then I'd buy it.

[chessie4905]

Better check out all the ingredients in that stuff to make taste like real meat.

[Ed Hackenbruch]

Soylent Green??? 

[chessie4905]

😅 why not? Too many cemetaries and all the cremation emissions.

[Nova Eona]

Better check out all the ingredients in that stuff to make taste like real meat.

Eh, it's not like the rest of my groceries come solely from farmers' markets and organic suppliers.  Synthetic meat has to go through the same food safety regulations and list its ingredients and nutritional data just like the rest of our food, if our scientists and nutritionists give it the stamp of approval I'm not going to second-guess them without cause just because it's different.

[luvrbus]

LOL I have seen it here in the west where tree forests were clear cut for a renewable energy nothing has ever grew back even planting of trees they never grew back careful what you wish for this new battery tech has a nasty make up the landfills are not going to be happy with   

[muldoonman]

LOL I have seen it here in the west where tree forests were clear cut for a renewable energy nothing has ever grew back even planting of trees they never grew back careful what you wish for this new battery tech has a nasty make up the landfills are not going to be happy with   

Never undestood That as these Tree Huggers are the ones pushing this crap.