Rant

[chessie4905]

If I was going to purchase another conversion, after a general look over, I would check the workmanship of the plumbing and wiring. both would have to pass muster before even considering purchase.

[Geoff]

I have a Sun Frost refer in my Eagle and love it.  Last week I just ran a new 12 AWG wire directly to my batteries because I had too much of a power loss due to a long run with inadequate wiring before and it would start to shake, rattle, and roll after being unplugged from shore power for about an hour because it was only getting about 8V when my house batteries were at 12V and it does not like low voltage.  Now it runs like a champ. 

The good thing about these units is you can practically run them all week on one 6V battery because they are insulated so well as noted above. (maybe a bit of an exaggeration :-) ) I met the creator of these units, Larry and he is a very interesting very smart guy.  It is really too bad he quit making these as they are still one of the best units out there IMHO.  Thankfully he still has some repair parts in stock if you need them.

Okay--
This defunct Sunfrost is selling for almost $3,000 new plus shipping.  It lasted about 15 years.  That makes minimum $200 a year.  You can buy an apartment refrigerator for under $400, that will last 20-30 years or more.  I don't care if the Sunfrost runs off fashlight batteries.  The value is not there.

[luvrbus]

I know bus people that have had the Sunfrost for 30 years and they have never missed a beat,I owned one for 23 years and cost me 7 bucks in 23 years,they are a boon-dockers dream and they will run a week on a good 12v battery 

[Gary Hatt - Publisher BCM]

Okay--
This defunct Sunfrost is selling for almost $3,000 new plus shipping.  It lasted about 15 years.  That makes minimum $200 a year.  You can buy an apartment refrigerator for under $400, that will last 20-30 years or more.  I don't care if the Sunfrost runs off fashlight batteries.  The value is not there.

This exactly why they went out of business.  People do not care about quality like they used to and are buying disposable refrigerators instead.  A Sun Frost could be rebuilt over and over again if necessary which it seldom was.  But now refers, batteries and solar are cheaper so people are not willing to pay for this kind of quality to keep their food colder for longer periods of time.  Mine is going on 23 years now and cools as good as new.

[luvrbus]

This exactly why they went out of business.  People do not care about quality like they used to and are buying disposable refrigerators instead.  A Sun Frost could be rebuilt over and over again if necessary which it seldom was.  But now refers, batteries and solar are cheaper so people are not willing to pay for this kind of quality to keep their food colder for longer periods of time.  Mine is going on 23 years now and cools as good as new.

I want to see one of the throw apartment fridges made today last 20 years,that is like comparing a SubZero fridge to a Sears fridge

[Geoff]

You haven't won me over.  I have 20 years on a Sanyo stainless steel apartment size refer that draws 1.5 amps @120v.  I am not boondocking and living off solar in the middle of nowhere.  I would have to find a whale to have enough width to shove this Sunfrost where it belongs.

[Gary Hatt - Publisher BCM]

You haven't :De over.  I have 20 years on a Sanyo stainless steel apartment size refer that draws 1.5 amps @120v.  I am not boondocking and living off solar in the middle of nowhere.  I would have to find a whale to have enough width to shove this Sunfrost where it belongs.

This is fine Goeff. Nobody will make you buy a Sun Frost but we will still like you.    Just be sure to make it so it is easily removable as you will be replacing it soon.  The apartment refrigerators are not built to bounce down the road like being in an earthquake all day.  A lot of people are building buses out of cheaper appliances now and I hear about it on a regular basis as they fail. Others are putting more expensive European refrigerators in their conversions because of the higher quality, better cooling, and ruggedness.  Only you can decide what is best for your bus which is why we own buses, because everyone is built to suit a particular persons need.  You probably don't need a $1200 water pump either, but Prevost folks like long high pressure even-flowing showers.  My $100 Sur-Flow works good enuf for me. 

[Geoff]

Gary, with all do respect as the owner and publisher of BCM; I have been around the bus conversion world a lot longer than you.  I have a top of the line water pump already, but that is neither here or there.  I just think the concept behind buying a Sunfrost refer is wrong.  That is my only point of this thread.

Thank you,
Geoff

[chessie4905]

Ah ha!!! Eagles bounce going down the road... Get a GMC so the apartment refers last 30 years and you don't have to splurge for a Sunfrost.lol

[DoubleEagle]

Ah ha!!! Eagles bounce going down the road... Get a GMC so the apartment refers last 30 years and you don't have to splurge for a Sunfrost.lol

Eagles don't bounce going down the road, they porpoise on purpose! 

[luvrbus]

Just buy plenty of straps to keep the door closed when installed in GM you will be ok

[eagle19952]

.  You probably don't need a $1200 water pump either, but Prevost folks like long high pressure even-flowing showers.  

till the tank runs dry..then the butler needs to make a run to town. 

[chessie4905]

Lol

[uncle ned]

And does anyone know what kind of oil to run in a two stroke detroit.

next rant.

LOL

by the way I love my air ride seat in my gm

uncle ned

[chessie4905]

40w and plenty of it...