Bad gas (not from tofu)

luvrbus · January 06, 2018, 08:53:31 AM

That Starbrite works good it even takes the smell out of old gas, the small engine shops and H/D sell a gas now for small engine but the stuff cost you around 25 bucks a gal buying it in the qts lol to rich for me but still cheaper than paying a shop to clean a carb and tank

kyle4501 · January 06, 2018, 07:26:32 PM

Quote from: chessie4905 on January 06, 2018, 03:57:25 AM
If you Google non ethanol gas stations, there are a couple of sites that list locations state by state. There probably aren't any in California as using leaded gas is probably a death penalty crime.

non ethonol is unleaded

eagle19952 · January 06, 2018, 07:30:56 PM

pure gas, there's an app for this.

https://www.pure-gas.org/

luvrbus · January 07, 2018, 05:49:03 AM

Long time ago in 50's and 60's on the farm our hay equipment with the air cooled Wisconsin 1 to 4 cylinders engines ran on White gas the same stuff you buy for Coleman stoves.
I believe it's nothing but Naphtha but we never had gumming or varnishing problems with the equipment from season to season using it

gg04 · January 07, 2018, 08:36:26 AM

White gas= unleaded.. went from .13 a gallon to .35 when they changed the name on the pump...

Oonrahnjay · January 07, 2018, 09:08:11 AM

Quote from: gg04 on January 07, 2018, 08:36:26 AMWhite gas= unleaded.. went from .13 a gallon to .35 when they changed the name on the pump...

Back when I was young (while the dinosaurs were still making crude), Amoco gas didn't have lead (or so they advertised) and it wasn't dyed and the "proof" that Amoco High Test was "better" was because it was clear and therefore more pure and clean and it must make more power, right??? Total advertising hogwash. So you could go to the Amoco station and get white gas for your car and the hardware store and get white gas for your Coleman lantern and they were NOT the same thing. A number of people tried using Amoco white gas in their lanterns and Coleman camp stoves with results you can imagine.
Back then, there were two things called white gas but they were very different. Coleman instructions still say to use white gas but not gasoline.

Amoco "unleaded" High Test also wasn't really unleaded. To get to genuine, chemically unleaded that would be OK with catalytic converters, the petroleum companies had to come up with new octane formulations that would at least run to some extent -- badly, but to some extent. Real unleaded gasoline is different from the gas that Amoco used to sell and unleaded and white gas. Last time I saw a technical discussion, they said that it actually costs about 8 cents more to make unleaded gas than to take cheap, crap gas and make it run bettery by adding tetraethyl lead additives. The $.60 difference at the gas pumps is all marketing and price fixing.

But don't confuse unleaded white gas -- either the old, not-really-unleaded stuff or the newer genuinely-no-lead gasoline -- with the low-evaporative, less explosive white gas (which is not really gasoline) for Coleman stoves that Clifford was talking about.

B_K · January 07, 2018, 09:10:35 AM

Quote from: gg04 on January 07, 2018, 08:36:26 AM
White gas= unleaded.. went from .13 a gallon to .35 when they changed the name on the pump...

White gas IS NOT UNLEADED!
As Clifford says it is the same as Coleman fuel for lanterns and cook stoves.
The Amish we know use LOTS of "white gas" all year long. Recently they have learned if they pressurize "mineral spirits" it burns as well and clean as "white gas" and was dirt cheap compared to "white gas", but recently after using it for a short time they have discovered that because the demand for it has increased the price has skyrocketed almost 3 times per 55 gallon barrel since they first started using it to where it is still a little cheaper than "white gas" but not much.

BK

lvmci · January 07, 2018, 10:17:26 AM

Opus & Clifford, where do you find this Starbrite? lvmci...

luvrbus · January 07, 2018, 10:23:10 AM

Quote from: lvmci on January 07, 2018, 10:17:26 AM
Opus & Clifford, where do you find this Starbrite? lvmci...

I buy it down the street from my local parts store that is real popular stuff in the marine world here since some of the boats go to storage with a 100 gals of gasoline on board I am believer in it

opus · January 07, 2018, 12:34:18 PM

Quote from: lvmci on January 07, 2018, 10:17:26 AM
Opus & Clifford, where do you find this Starbrite? lvmci...

I just looked, Walmart online or Napa, etc. I think a lot of places carry. I originally called the company to chew on them about their liquid electrical tape. I was on their website and saw they did the gas thing too so we chatted about that a bit. Very informative but at my age.....I havent a clue what either of us said. :/ The struggle is real folks!!

gg04 · January 07, 2018, 01:20:55 PM

Your calling naphtha mix white gas. At KM and all local stations white gas was the original gasoline. That's the white gas station's sold. Every car maker used it until the advent of adding "lead". When government made unleaded mandatory our wholesale price of white gas went from .09 gal to .22. Octane rating didn't go up until car manufacturers complained. Now all major manufacturers want to raise octane to 103-110 range. How times change.

gg04 · January 07, 2018, 01:45:40 PM

Hadn't looked in years but Coleman still offers their dual fuel kit so you can either burn their fuel, or unleaded gas... now guess what the difference is..

luvrbus · January 07, 2018, 01:54:24 PM

Only way we could buy our white gas was in 55 gal drums and it was from a Kerr/Mcgee jobber

gg04 · January 07, 2018, 02:02:55 PM

KM=Kerr McGee went to school on KM scholarship in petroleum engineering. Spent holidays and summers at one of their refineries. LOL

luvrbus · January 07, 2018, 02:11:03 PM

Yea I very familiar with KM,I did a lot of work on the Kerr/Mcgee channel and locks they didn't call it Kerr/Mcgee but Kerr had a lot of money in it to make a Tulsa a port,to bad they had so many pollution suits against the Kerr/Mcgee company and had to sell it another icon gone from the pages