Reversing discrimination against bus conversions (Thousand Trails & elsewhere)

[Geoff]

I think the people of this BUS conversion group are rising up; and Jeannie, your shuttle bus "conversion" story and TT discrimination is not drawing much support.  This group is about "bus conversions" and you moving your studio apartment into a shuttle bus and demanding full rights as an RV'er is not sympathetic to us.  We spend a lot of time and money on our bus conversions to make them as nice or better than a house, and we are not "carbon neutral".   Homeless people get vehicles like you and dump their waste in sewer drains, or worse, and have become a scourge on society by breaking the rules.  You have unwittingly placed yourself in this group.

[eagle19952]

I'm curious - why is trying to help all of us advance "beating a dead horse"?

because all the help and sympathy that can be garnered here has been garnered.
i did offer you the best platform there is...a FB group with the same distaste that you have. Further, they will also let you know where the chips fall. Here all you get is...well you already know.
ps. Define all of us.

[Iceni John]

Maybe you could paint your bus baby-barf beige and put some of those Nike swooshes on it, just like every generic RV you see these days, and maybe also some pseudo-patriotic missive or an Eagle Rampant airbrushed onto it, and play Country & Western music as you drive up to the gate, then they'll welcome you in with open arms.   But why sell your soul just for the sake of appeasing some Big Business BS?

With lots of PV on my bus's roof, I hope to never need to suckle on the teat of corporate beneficence from the likes of Thousand Trials or any other similar RV barrios.   Remember Akvol's Second Law of the Corporation:  Any action for which there is no logical explanation will be deemed "Company Policy".

John

[Jon]

I think the people of this BUS conversion group are rising up; and Jeannie, your shuttle bus "conversion" story and TT discrimination is not drawing much support.  This group is about "bus conversions" and you moving your studio apartment into a shuttle bus and demanding full rights as an RV'er is not sympathetic to us.  We spend a lot of time and money on our bus conversions to make them as nice or better than a house, and we are not "carbon neutral".   Homeless people get vehicles like you and dump their waste in sewer drains, or worse, and have become a scourge on society by breaking the rules.  You have unwittingly placed yourself in this group.

That appears harsh and discriminatory. I was not aware this site had standards like TT and for a bus to meet the standard it had to meet certain criteria. Maybe you can elaborate so we understand what the BCM policy is.

[luvrbus]

That appears harsh and discriminatory. I was not aware this site had standards like TT and for a bus to meet the standard it had to meet certain criteria. Maybe you can elaborate so we understand what the BCM policy is.

Yep this sounding more a a elite club that our buses are more special than hers sad to see this no matter how much was spent on the conversion of the bus.Most of us don't belong to TT or another time sharing group lol most of us belong to the Walmart overnight parking association give her a break 

[gumpy]

I think the people of this BUS conversion group are rising up; and Jeannie, your shuttle bus "conversion" story and TT discrimination is not drawing much support.  This group is about "bus conversions" and you moving your studio apartment into a shuttle bus and demanding full rights as an RV'er is not sympathetic to us.  We spend a lot of time and money on our bus conversions to make them as nice or better than a house, and we are not "carbon neutral".   Homeless people get vehicles like you and dump their waste in sewer drains, or worse, and have become a scourge on society by breaking the rules.  You have unwittingly placed yourself in this group.

Have to agree with Jon on this one. This is maybe not appropriate. I watched her video. While I don't agree with anything she says that's not about her bus, (i.e. all the liberal carbon footprint BS and climate change hoax crap) I will stand by her for her bus conversion. It's a bus. Albeit, not a tour bus, but a bus nonetheless. It's well thought out for her needs and her purposes. That's kind of what it's all about. Doing it your way. Yes, a portable toilet and no shower is not my way, but if it works for her, who am I to criticize that? She has a solar panel, batteries, and inverter. That's a good start to independent living. No, it's not all fully installed and completed. So what? My bus isn't complete. No, she doesn't understand how it all works. Again, so what? Many on here  don't understand how their's works, either. Personally, I don't think it's appropriate to be parking your RV on various residential streets and burning a wood stove for heat and cooking, because that's one of the things that gives certain classes of RVs and their occupants a bad reputation. But again, who am I to judge. But I think she has just as much right to be on BCM as any of us. Certainly we've had skoolie conversions and mini-bus conversions on here before. Some didn't last, I think primarily because they soon found there wasn't much they could relate to and found other more appropriate forums to move on to. What she needs to remember is that for every choice, there are consequences which must be accepted as well. She chose this bus. She chose to drop out of society and move into this bus. She has noble reasons for that. But, there are consequences which come with those choices which lie solely with her. As for complaining about the TT thing, I think it's done. She made her complaint, told her story and received sound advice on how to solve it. She shouldn't expect the rest of us to get all infuriated because she feels discriminated against because of the choices she made. We're not going to get involved. This isn't some social justice website. We're mostly all grown-ups here with steady jobs or hard earned savings with an experienced based understanding of reality. She should read the advice provided, choose actions which best meet her needs and control her own destiny. We welcome updates as to the choices she makes and the outcomes thereof.

[Utahclaimjumper]

 I think this young lady is rapidly learning the difference between the REAL WORLD,, and the warm fuzzy academic world she has been safely wrapped in until she stepped out of their very rigid line in the sand.>>>Dan ( The Al Gore followers are always amazed when the same rigid/ no compromise thinking bites them in the butt.>>>

[Geoff]

I'm trying to figure out how Champion Challenger thought she fit in this group.  I don't set the policies of BCM, but I don't think she would make the cover of the magazine, and that is not being elitist.

[gumpy]

... but I don't think she would make the cover of the magazine, ...

Neither would my bus.

[Geoff]

Neither would my bus.

I didn't know you had a shuttle bus?

[scanzel]

gumpy very well said paragraph on Dec 14th. She needs to take what info and comments provided and move on with what will meet her needs. BCM is here to help on conversion info and not trash companies or trash other sites. I looked up reviews on TT and there is not much very good to say about them, let the reviews on the internet speak. We are all here to help her for any conversion needs and she should feel free to ask question without any negative comments. Have a Safe and Happy Holiday Season.

[eagle19952]

That appears harsh and discriminatory. I was not aware this site had standards like TT and for a bus to meet the standard it had to meet certain criteria. Maybe you can elaborate so we understand what the BCM policy is.

that's a pretty far stretch...

more like what the bear did in the buckwheat...

[gumpy]

I didn't know you had a shuttle bus?

I don't (of course you knew that). But what does that have to do with it? This is the Bus Conversion Magazine board, not the OTR BCM, or Transit BCM board. It's not the Bus-Except-For-Shuttle-Buses Conversion Magazine board. The mere fact that the word bus is part of the term "shuttle bus" should clue you in that her choice of bus is not restricted from being in the club. We didn't discriminate against your RTS (which I've always admired) even though it is entirely possible it was a shuttle bus in it's former life. There's a fine line there but as I said before, we've always welcomed all bus conversions here. Most non-traditional converters usually find this forum doesn't fulfill their needs and ultimately find another forum more specific to their style of conversion. But we're not TT and we don't discriminate here. And that's one of the great things about this board.

[windtrader]

Craig,

I'm not reading anyone, not a single one of us, discriminating, or disrespecting, the shuttle bus conversion. I think most are just suggesting there are other Internet groups with members sharing more interests, concerns, issues, mechanical support, etc.that the folks who have chose to hang out here. that's all. She is more than welcome to stay but I'm not sure other than the TT issue, most other topics are probably not of much interest to her.

[gumpy]

And I don't disagree with any of that.