Looking for 6V92 + Alison HT-740 engine/transmission

[B_K]

Listening...

But I would be interested in an engine as well, probably not one that needs lots of fabrication, because I don't have time for another project right now.

Davev I posted about it somewhere before when you first had your breakdown or sometime near then.
It belongs to Amish friend of mine and has a rebuilt 8V71 in it I'd bet he'd sell the whole bus for $3800 and you could drive it out to CA swap engine/trans out and keep yer 6B92 to get it rebuilt.
ALL the parts necessary for the swap are all ready there as it's MCI to MCI swap basically slide one out slide the other in. (exhaust pipes would have to be changed & probably the muffler, but they will be on the donor bus)

Best part is you can buy it drive it out there and park right next to your current one strip what you need and have the donor bus as a storage unit, have it hauled off for scrap, or donate it to where ever your parking to do this swap for them to sell for scrap. Jonathan won't care what happens to it once it leaves his property. (an if anyone ever came back to him saying "Look we have your 1978 MCI Bus here that's been abandoned at such and such location" He'll laugh at them and tell them "I'm Amish, have been my whole life and how an where would I get a bus like that?")   

[daveola]

It belongs to Amish friend of mine and has a rebuilt 8V71 in it I'd bet he'd sell the whole bus for $3800 and you could drive it out to CA swap engine/trans out and keep yer 6B92 to get it rebuilt.

Interesting idea - how recently was it rebuilt and by whom?

Two problems I see are:

1) We'd have to get rid of the old bus somehow - I don't think abandoning it would be a great idea... 
2) The 8V71 is much harder to get parts for, no?  Is it a turbo?

[B_K]

Interesting idea - how recently was it rebuilt and by whom?

Two problems I see are:

1) We'd have to get rid of the old bus somehow - I don't think abandoning it would be a great idea... 
2) The 8V71 is much harder to get parts for, no?  Is it a turbo?

OK First off it was rebuilt by the Amish man and his son and sons in-laws.
They were mentored by a shop owner in CO that had plenty of DD knowledge, but not the time or space inside the shop to do it, do to the large volume of work from his regular commercial customers.
So he agreed to "help" them do it, if they would do most of the labor intensive stuff themselves.
They towed it to the shop and parked them along side the shop, and he showed them step by step what to do, loaning them the tools and overseeing or even doing the critical parts himself.

1) I did not say to abandon it, I suggested "donating "it.
2) Not really. and NO.

I wouldn't just replace the 6V92 permanently with the 8V71 unless it were turbo'd. But this would give you an option to get your bus up and mobile quicker and have your 6V92 to rebuilt and put back in when time & $ allowed.
  BK 

[daveola]

1) I did not say to abandon it, I suggested "donating "it.

*laugh*

I'm not sure who would consider a bus minus an engine to be a donation, though possibly Ted up in Williams, CA.  I suppose it would be nice to pull some parts off it myself, but then the hulking mass needs to go somewhere.

I wouldn't just replace the 6V92 permanently with the 8V71

We're doing okay right now timewise - we have a place to stay and would rather find a permanent solution for the bus engine/transmission.

[eagle19952]

*laugh*

I'm not sure who would consider a bus minus an engine to be a donation, though possibly Ted up in Williams, CA.  I suppose it would be nice to pull some parts off it myself, but then the hulking mass needs to go somewhere.


We're doing okay right now timewise - we have a place to stay and would rather find a permanent solution for the bus engine/transmission.

but then the hulking mass needs to go somewhere....scrap, many net a few $1000.00 is there any aluminium ?

[daveola]

but then the hulking mass needs to go somewhere....scrap, many net a few $1000.00 is there any aluminium ?

I always thought that scrapping a bus *cost* money as opposed to making any money...  am I wrong on this?

And I actually don't know what model bus this is that we're even talking about - is it an MCI 102 as well?

[B_K]

I believe it's a 1977 (not positive on the yr) MCI 8.
So no it's only 96" wide not 102" wide
  BK 

[Boomer]

There is a beautiful fire truck for sale in Lodi, CA with an 8V92/740 and only 138K total miles.  And it's on 12R22.5's and aluminum wheels.  Asking 8,000 for the whole rig.  I think that's a great deal.

[daveola]

There is a beautiful fire truck for sale in Lodi, CA with an 8V92/740 and only 138K total miles.  And it's on 12R22.5's and aluminum wheels.  Asking 8,000 for the whole rig.  I think that's a great deal.

More info?

[B_K]

There is a beautiful fire truck for sale in Lodi, CA with an 8V92/740 and only 138K total miles.  And it's on 12R22.5's and aluminum wheels.  Asking 8,000 for the whole rig.  I think that's a great deal.

Mark you know it's major work to retrofit an engine into an MCI from any other source than an MCI.
Dave is not a master mechanic/fabricator to the best of my knowledge so suggesting he do a swap like that is a lit much in my honest opinion.

And I don't mean to single you out Mark as it is a great find and would make a great donor for the right person, just not sure it's in Dave's best interest.
  BK 

[daveola]

Well, I can handle all sorts of fabricating, but I'm not doing the engine work on the bus (nor do I have time right now, I start a new job soon).

I can ask the engine guy - it's at Bay Cities Diesel in Benicia, CA -whom I've heard good things about.

So it's worth getting the info to see if it makes sense to pursue this route.  Would be nice to have an 8V92 in the bus.  I presume the 8V92 is a turbo?

[blue_goose]

If you are going to pay someone else to make the engine change it will cost as much as your coach is worth.  If you go with a 8V92 you will more than likely never get it to run cool.
Jack

[B_K]

Like Jack said PAYING to have an 8V92 swapped in does not make financial sense!
If I were paying someone to "repower" it I'd seriously look at a 4 stroke.
Whether it be a 50 Series Detroit, Cummins or a CAT! It's gonna cost you to find the proper parts to relocate the turbo, exhaust, Alt. air compressor, power steering pump, and whatever else the fire truck engine is gonna need changed to make it work in the MCI.  PLUS your gonna need to find or fab an engine cradle for it.

Clifford can verify or correct me if I am wrong but I believe you even have to change the cams to make that engine work in an MCI!

Just saying I'd still to an MCI to MCI swap that this point if paying someone else the labor to do it!

OH and again Jack is right on trying to keep an 8V92 cool in an MCI too! Many many people have had problems with this!
  BK 

[brmax]

I think the amount to get this done above the engine trans cost, should be discussed seriously.
I'm not sure the figure 10k is in the conversation so I thought it should be a factor, not a big deal, yet 84 hrs x 120.00 runs pretty close to that so if one figures a standard two week job at 1 person, well this is a baseline.


Floyd

[Scott & Heather]

$10,000 is on the light side Floyd. We just spent $5400 just getting bearing, brake, and tire work done. drivetrain work isn't cheap.


Sent from my iPhone using Tapatalk