4104 tires and rims

uncle ned · October 08, 2014, 05:09:34 AM

Arkroyal

I wanted the super singles but I could not find any tall enough.
Also I could not figure out the off set to get the tires centered in the wheel wheels.

I think HUGGY would look cool with a set of them in the rear.

A friend runs them on his tractor and is trailers. He was giving me the price of wheels and tires.
I told him I would just buy mine from the Midnight auto supply.
He called the next day and said his were hub centered and my bus was stud centered.

Also I did not need a engineer to help figure out what size tire I needed I just listened to RJ

uncle ned

TomC · October 08, 2014, 08:49:00 AM

All wheel manufacturers make a 22.5 x 14 aluminum wheel with a 2" offset. When used, the outside of the super single will be where the duals would be. But-we found this puts undue stress on the outer wheel bearing causing premature wheel bearing problem-which may not be a problem for us low mileage guys. Now, we order trucks with a Dual Trac axle that will bring normal duals out to 102" wide, or at 96" wide with O" offset super single wheels.
Unless you have a tandem bus like the PD4501, MCI9 cargo, Crown or Gillig 40ft'r, I would not use the super single. Good luck, TomC

akroyaleagle · October 08, 2014, 09:48:44 AM

Uncle Ned,

The super singles were a tongue in cheek response. I did not expect anyone to take them serious.

R.J. is the man when it comes to these GMs. He's a very nice guy also. If you find yourself in Fresno,
make sure to visit him.

pennuja · October 12, 2014, 04:09:53 PM

I took the bus out on the highway today to go get fuel and went to top speed just to see what it was and it is right around 65.

I went to TA since there is one at the next exit and I talked to the guys in the garage about tires, they told me that a used take off tire runs around $300 installed that did not sound like too bad of a price of course they have nothing in my size which I knew anyway. They told me that they do not service old split rims anymore which got me thinking. The PO told me that the rims were the old split type but I never even looked since there are covers over them. I do not know what to look for, if I remove the covers can I tell if they are the old type easily. They guys at TA did tell me that I could buy a newer ring that I think he said bolts one. I do not know much about split rims other than they are very dangerous to work with. They also told me that if changed rims that I would have to change the hub, I though that IO could just add longer studs.

What is the best way to go with this, is are there better steel rims to go with or is it better to just change to aluminum ones? Keep in mind that I am totally new to the split rims.

eagle19952 · October 12, 2014, 05:28:14 PM

there is a big difference between split rims and split rings....
you have rings.

pennuja · October 12, 2014, 05:37:38 PM

Thank you.

eagle19952 · October 12, 2014, 05:45:40 PM

ps $300.00 is way to much for a takeoff... someone is putting to many of your dollars in a pocket vs. the till ... imo etc.

pennuja · October 12, 2014, 06:02:27 PM

Quote from: eagle19952 on October 12, 2014, 05:45:40 PM
ps $300.00 is way to much for a takeoff... someone is putting to many of your dollars in a pocket vs. the till ... imo etc.

What is a good price for a mounted used, I figured 150 - 200 for the tire but I do not know how much for the mounting and etc, remember it was at TA I figured it would be more there.

luvrbus · October 12, 2014, 06:04:30 PM

Tire shops still do lock rings wheels I never had a problem with people working on one , you can still buy lock rings and wheels, the draw back is you need to have a tube type tire unless the wheel is the o-ring type bead ring

pennuja · October 12, 2014, 06:21:28 PM

Quote from: luvrbus on October 12, 2014, 06:04:30 PM
Tire shops still do lock rings wheels I never had a problem with people working on one , you can still buy lock rings and wheels, the draw back is you need to have a tube type tire unless the wheel is the o-ring type bead ring

I would think that getting away from tubed tires would be best where can you get tubeless steel rims from, do you have an online example of where one could be ordered for a 4104 I would like to know what I am talking about when I go to a tire shop.

luvrbus · October 12, 2014, 06:43:53 PM

Carol bought his 3 piece wheels for his 4104 from a Accuride dealer (Southwest Wheel) I image any dealer can order them for you

pennuja · October 12, 2014, 07:03:10 PM

Quote from: luvrbus on October 12, 2014, 06:43:53 PM
Carol bought his 3 piece wheels for his 4104 from a Accuride dealer (Southwest Wheel) I image any dealer can order them for you

Thanks!

RJ · October 13, 2014, 09:19:11 AM

Jim -

I would definitely junk the split ring wheels on your coach! As you're discovering, fewer and fewer tire shops will deal with them, due to liability reasons.

You can buy Accuride steel wheels for about $100 each from just about any HD truck supply house. Aluminum will run about $350 or so, plus you'll also have the expense of 40 longer studs (and their installation.) Whichever you decide, you'll need 22.5 or 24.5 stud-piloted rims. (You can use a steel inner wheel on the rear duals to save some $$. Just be sure to get the plastic spacer that fits between the steel and aluminum to prevent galvanic corrosion.)

Use this link to find a dealer near you: http://www.accuridewheelendsolutions.com/sales/

But remember the magic number for your coach when it comes to the tires you finally purchase and their revs per mile: 495!

FWIW & HTH. . .

pennuja · October 13, 2014, 10:10:54 AM

Quote from: RJ on October 13, 2014, 09:19:11 AM
Jim -

I would definitely junk the split ring wheels on your coach! As you're discovering, fewer and fewer tire shops will deal with them, due to liability reasons.

You can buy Accuride steel wheels for about $100 each from just about any HD truck supply house. Aluminum will run about $350 or so, plus you'll also have the expense of 40 longer studs (and their installation.) Whichever you decide, you'll need 22.5 or 24.5 stud-piloted rims. (You can use a steel inner wheel on the rear duals to save some $$. Just be sure to get the plastic spacer that fits between the steel and aluminum to prevent galvanic corrosion.)

Use this link to find a dealer near you: http://www.accuridewheelendsolutions.com/sales/

But remember the magic number for your coach when it comes to the tires you finally purchase and their revs per mile: 495!

FWIW & HTH. . .

Thank you RJ you answered all of my questions even the question that I did not ask about using aluminum and steel, I was hoping that would be ok. I think in the end I will get steel but if I run into extra money I may end up with aluminum.

I am really torn about the tire size but in the end I will probably stay with tires that run 495 rpm, I would love to get an additional 5 - 10 mph so I can run at 1800 @ 65 mph but it will not kill me to run at 55.

luvrbus · October 13, 2014, 11:49:24 AM

I don't about the snap ring 3 piece comment" tires shops won't service one" there is not a motorgrader,loader, off road haul truck or scraper made that don't use the lock ring
What I like about the snap ring setup you don't need to remove 10 lug nuts to change a tire or fix a flat

but we all have our on opinion