the future of two stroke

[TomC]

I just talked (yes it is Sunday) to our head of CARB requirements. I asked him specifically if single use private non commercial RV's will be required to smog, and he said they are exempt from smog laws. The reason-RVIA, AARP, FMCA would put up big stink if the government were to interfere with retirees fun with their RV's. Believe me when I say-at least currently, there isn't any talk about older RV's being subjected to any kind of smog laws in California-even after 2023. Once again-older RV's are exempt from smog laws-all smog laws only apply to commercial vehicles and commercial boats. Good Luck, TomC

[Lin]

I heard that they were going to take the same approach to this as with gun ownership; you will be limited to tanks that hold 10 gallons of fuel.

[HB of CJ]

My old outfit, the Bakersfield Fire Department, USED to have quite a few older reserve fire apparatus that had mostly the 6v92TA with a few 8V71Ts.  Feedback I used to get was that the crews actually liked the older stuff as it sounded sosss cool...and a few ancient Engines still had the old ice-age Fuller T-905M straight five speed MANUALS.  Also enjoyed.    HB of CJ (old coot)

I think the 8v92 came first in a "N" version at 400-425 hp, then the 8V92T, then the 6V92T; all MUI.  I do not believe there was a 6V92 "N" model offered in CA.  The new 500 Detroits in the newer apparatus are very quick indeed.  I still want to put a 353N into my 1978 Chevy pickup truck.  Wish me luck.....I am going to need it.   SW OR.

[TomC]

6V-53 sounds cooler and will have good performance. Not that much longer then the 3-53. Good Luck, TomC

[Dave5Cs]

Anything registered as an RV with a 2 stroke diesel motor and farm equipment is exempt from any smog rules & laws in the State of California.
Really don't know why you guys are so down on California, Jealous I guess. The ones that complain are generally the ones that have never visited here or have only been to L.A.

Come up North. Check out the fly fishing, Steel head, Salmon, Bass and stripped Bass fishing in the American River, Take an old paddel River boat down the Sacramento River to the Ocean and ride back in a greyhound.
How about water skiing on Lake Tahoe unless your scared?

There are Campgrounds all along the Sacramento, San Joquin, & Yuba Rivers, Checkout many world famous Ski areas such as Squaw Valley home of the 62 Olyimpics.

How about Yosemite!...

RJ Longs house, LOL

Hyw 1 along the Ocean cliffs and through fun small towns.

Hearst castle in San Simeon.

Muir Woods that has some of the tallest Red Wood trees you can walk through and look up and not see the top.

In the giant Red wood forest up north you can park a car inside the tree up about 2 stories off the ground.

our weather up here is a lot cooler, summer can get in the 100's but spring is very nice in the 65 to 75 range.

That is what California is about, not the sometimes thought, crazy laws some make or the cable news tells about. Doesn't mean we all agree with them. California some don't like because they are a little more progressive here and try to think ahead instead like some states just keep" doin what were doin." and If thats what ya'll like than just keep doing it and enjoy your life.

Dave5Cs

[luvrbus]

LOL what about the other 5 states of CA  Dave I do like the northern part of the state I really like the Mt Shasta area

[wg4t50]

Would guess the massive amount of idiots & business that moved from the great state  to Texas were just too stupid to breathe, but know how the ball bounces. ?
I do not have a dog in the fight but do snicker at the state of the California debt, looks like Michigan and looking for a government bail out. Just brilliant.
Dave M

[luvrbus]

I read the CARB ruling on older exempt vehicles like the RV that is a limited use of miles how does CARB know how many miles or how often you drive ? then I read even with a exemption to much smoke will get one a Fix-it-Ticket by law enforcement and living on the border I do know that happens

I help George repair his engine before he could proceed on his trip into CA and he had CA plates on a 1964 Eagle bus RV   

[TomC]

I know I'm biased since I live here, but-I drove truck for 21 years, 1.3 million miles, have been in all 48 states, BC, Toronto. I can say without a shadow of doubt-if someone told me I could never leave California-I would be the happiest man alive. California is the most diverse state, period. We're the only state with giant Sequoias, the biggest agriculture, second largest milk producer, have deserts, dense forests, the highest mountain west of Colorado-I could go on and on. I frankly don't know how anyone puts up with snowy blizzards in winter, hot humid summers, tornadoes, etc. Good Luck, TomC

[luvrbus]

You guys need to work for the CC of CA it is a nice state in some areas but places like CO,ID,TX,AZ,NV and other states would be glad to send your natives home that have left the great state of CA lol 

I have so many CA people that use my address for licensing and insurance I am as busy as the FMCA mail forwarding service   

[Dave5Cs]

Clifford thank You for taking care of the ones we kicked out, LOL. You might not want to admit on line that you are letting people use your address???
Like Tom C says we don't think California is for everybody just the ones that are not afraid of change!...

At least we have real trees here not some thorny water sucking tree in the hottest sand and red dirt. Summer time is fun there if you like staying inside with the AC on. does anything actually grow there anymore, Lol

As far as the State being broke it is only some cities that have had poor management for years and as always with one of the largest populations in the US it takes a lot of money to keep it going. Lots of government jobs which never pay back just suck money out.

By the way all you other states out there get ready for your Produce and milk to shoot up here soon being we provide most of it for you!... Because of the drought farms are having to cut back on planting this year.

At Least I put where I am from, unlike some here who can't admit it, HA Ha Ha

Clifford its almost like you want CARB to shut down 2 strokes for all of us, Interesting or you work for the tourist industry in Arizona, LOL
As far as people leaving California, that happens in any State. We left for 10 years and went to Colorado. It was nice but they have no Ocean even though they have a Navy Base there, say What? And the snow was fun but got old fast. Came back and will never leave again.
don't know why people talk about Registrations or Insurance being high. We paid a lot higher in Colorado on both counts. Taxes here are only 5% or less for State unless you have a business and you can write off most of that. Registration for our bus is very small and goes down 3 dollars every year. Property taxes are some of the lowest in the nation.

Dave 5Cs

[dukegrad98]

Awesome pointless thread hijack. 

EDIT:  Below, Dave has completely made the case for living in any of the other states. 

Cheers, John

[luvrbus]

I don't work for the C of C in AZ and having family that own a brick yard and heavy into farming in the state of CA for 75 yeas and living in CA for several years I just don't see the same picture as others neither do they and they are natives of the state

I just read where a teacher on a CA teachers salary cannot afford or even qualify for a loan on a home something is wrong with that picture watch the 2 strokes go away Dave fwiw Don and I both think it will lol we could be wrong but it happen in New York at the harbor  

It's not just me I see truckers have filed a suit against CARB to stop some of their bs and enough on this for me  

[Road Dawg]

It's not just me I see truckers have filed a suit against CARB to stop some of their bs and enough on this for me  

Okay, now that I understand.  There are people who like Cal and those who do not.  But it isn't that.  There are two concepts of government that must be understood here:

1.  You must believe that you are living in a Democracy or a free society.
2.  You must believe in the Constitution of the United States (a concept that a great deal of our elected officials do not understand or support).

If the Constitution of the United States gives its citizens the right to travel unrestricted from state to state (if my memory serves me right it is the7th amendment) what gives Californians' the right to restrict your travel within their state? 

Doesn't federal law supersede state law?

One more, if your bus/truck meets all federal and state regulations in the state in which you live, then it should also be legal in all 48 due to reprocricity (sp.) agreements between the states.

Looking at all this from a legal standpoint, it appears to be blandly unconstitutional and might not stand up (be enforceable) after a court challenge. 

It doesn't really effect me, we rarely do the California thing anymore, so we are going to we are basically going to not worry about it.  Just thinkin' outside the box, no refection on anyone living or dead from California or anyone related to anyone residing in Fresno or the central valley (our lawyer friend said to put that in there).

Finally, just a thought.  If you are doing what you say (lending your name and address in order to defraud a state or local govt.) you might be in big trouble going public with it.

RD

[Dave5Cs]

Truckers are commercial i am not talking about that and not to take this thread away anymore either. It is what it is. Like my grandfather always said, " If you go through life worrying about what you are going to die from, you will probably die from an Ulcer." So lets wait to see what will happen and in the mean time have fun with our Buses!...