the future of two stroke

[lvmci]

Hi All, as I'm down in So Cal, looking at all the beautiful people parading in front of me, I've been think of what our own beautiful people have been talking about, the possible immenent restriction of the running of two stroke diesel engines in CalifornIa. A couple of 3 things crossed my mind, would bio diesel converted 8V71s be banned also? Would CNG 2 strokes be banned also? And more directly, what do you think is the posibilty that exemptions would be given to the newest and most effecient of the 2 strokes, which I think is the 6V92 Turbo? What about an afterburner of sorts,like a catalitic converter, or some such device? Lvmci...

[muldoonman]

Don't have an answer, but, One more reason to leave the state. Over here in Texas if they banded 2 strokes, they would have to shut the oil and gas industry down for a while cause there are quite a few of the sweet babies still running on equipment out here in the field. Leave it to The Austin Tx. Crowd (that make the laws/rules for us peons) that is swelling with folks from your state to make a run at it in the next few years. Until then, I will keep on cruising in my 8V92TA.

[lostagain]

If California outlawed 2 strokes in recreational vehicles, I guess I just wouldn't go there with my bus.

Check out what Don Fairchild is doing at Clean Cam Technology Systems in Bakersfield. You can rebuild your 2 stroke DD with their kit and be CARB compliant. And it would be cheaper than repowering with a 4 stroke. One of these days, I will do that to my 6V92.

JC

[luvrbus]

I think Don has threw in the towel on the CARB deal and the 2 stroke engine he has gone on to bigger and better things now, his CARB was for tier 2 engines not for transportation engines,sad but the EPA has been trying to bury the 2 strokes for years and are slowly getting it done here in the USA

[TomC]

Before I started my truck conversion, I conferred with our CARB experts (I work in "New Truck Engineering and Sales" at Los Angeles Freightliner) at our dealership. They said that if you own an older vehicle that is used as your single RV, then you're exempt from smog requirements. It is no different for me running a 1984 Caterpillar 3406B then anyone else running a 2 stroke engines of any age. As our experts said, FMCA, AARP, RVIA, etc all have very powerful lobbiests for the retired RV community that wouldn't allow the older RV's (and buses) to be eliminated. So for the foreseeable future, ANY out of date Diesel running in an RV-whether it be factory made or a bus conversion is legal here in California.
If for some reason later on, they become illegal, I'll just switch my engine over to a Cummins ISL 8.9 liter that puts out 450hp and 1250lb/ft torque-more then enough power. Good Luck, TomC

[luvrbus]

LOL has CARB or the state of CA ever lied before   so goes the land of the fruits and nuts, it is sicking to stop at Acme in Stockton and see all the late model engines CARB orders to be destroyed, they want allow him to sell a engine outside the state of CA without their approval
I was told anything weighing over 28,000 no matter what a truck,bus or a RV by 2023 had to have 2010 engine no exceptions period I know the tour operators in CA are shedding the old buses like the plague   

[lvmci]

Was the 6v92 turbo the last 2 stroke built? Lvmci...

[luvrbus]

No they still build the 53 series and the 8v92 I don't think they build the 6v92 any longer the military never used the 6v92

[lvmci]

Hi guys, was the 8V92 created after or before the 6V92 and did the turbo become an option from the start? Thanks, tom lvmci...

[TomC]

Yes the 2023 order that all trucks and buses coming into California or operating in California must have a 2010 engine (using Urea or DEF [Diesel Exhaust Fluid]) applies to commercial vehicles. This does not apply to RV's as registered. My truck is registered as MH or Motor Home. As it stands now, if you have a single personal use RV, the engine, year, fuel, etc is exempt from smog laws. Good Luck, TomC

[mikke60]

Hopefully by 2023 CA will have slid into the ocean!

[luvrbus]

Where does it say commercial vehicles only reading it over and over all I can find is 28,000 lbs no exceptions time will tell I guess.   
It really doesn't matter much to me I live 8 miles north of CA and very seldom go there as the law is always trying to catch a Arizonian with some type firearm now days that seems to be their favorite past time making other states think they are right and the rest of the world is wrong  10-4 on sliding into the ocean   lol

[belfert]

Isn't the biggest impact going to be on the secondary market for operators of both coaches and class 8 trucks who buy used vehicles?  By 2023 most companies that buy new vehicles will already have vehicles with 2010 compliant engines.  In the class 8 world a lot of the 2010 models will have been passed onto the secondary market by 2023.  Commercial operators will have had 15 years to plan for this by 2023 so it shouldn't be the end of the world since a lot of vehicles will have been replaced based on normal replacement schedules.  The biggest impact would probably be on farms and mom and pop operations that tend to rely on really old vehicles.

[Cary and Don]

If your manufacture date is pre 1975, I think, it doesn't matter what you are driving, you do not smog.  That includes our 1973 Eagle Motor Home and 1972 Chevy truck.

Don and Cary

[luvrbus]

Some are being upgrade to 2007 model engines now CARB is a real nasty deal with only CNG engines allowed in some ports it is a on going deal operator just dump the older stuff buying a 2007 model will give them a little breathing room so they are dumping the pre 2007 stuff  
It will bleed over to the RV's CA is requiring equipment and marine craft with the 2 strokes to meet the tier 2 emissions it only a matter of time some of those boats with new engines are over 60 years old lol 

I have a friend that works for a drilling contractor in Bakersfield they have been ordered to replace all the 2 strokes on their rigs he was selling some brand new 6L-71 series at the GM rally the company had left over