Painting question

[Ed Hackenbruch]

I thought i heard a while back that Imron had been banned?

[luvrbus]

ED, the water based Imron is still on the market the good stuff is gone thanks to the EPA



good luck

[TomC]

At Los Angeles Freightliner's body shop we use Dupont Imron 5000 (solvent based 2.8 VOC) and 6000 (water based).  There was a learning curve, but now I can't tell the difference between factory or shop painted surfaces.  They do such a good job, they are going to paint my truck when done.  Good Luck, TomC

[luvrbus]

I thought 6000 was a base coat and needs a clear coat I know it needs the Corlar primer or equal and the Metalok to work proper

good luck

[muddog16]

Clifford, I painted a 45' boat trailer with that good imron, that was the best paint I ever used!  After I used it one time I went to the dermotologist you need protection using the stuff......I cleaned up and ended up being allergic to the stuff...........that paint lasted 10 years on the trailer!

[JohnEd]

Pat,

The paint lasted 10 years and your allergy will last forever, at least as far as you are concerned.  Ask your dermatologist what other chems or "family of chems" you should also expect to have a bad reaction to.  AND in what products they might be found.  Your exposure could still kill you.  Look at the Nam and Desert Storm vets for latent complications and look at the 25 plks years they weretold that there was no scientific pro that the war did it.  It was "that liar" that said  that we would treat the vets without that conclusive proof and if it turned out that it wasn't Agent Orange related we would just be sorry we jumped the gun.....after 25 years of watching them die while the national labs that had been shuttered continued to "look for conclusive scientific evidence".  It is ok to throw up at this point.

I guess the EPA and Cal OSHA got there too late for you but not for your kids and grand kids hopefully.  As the handicap facility coordinator I got to meet lots of people with special needs.  The industrial cause resperatory cases were really sad is there ain't much you can do well that doesn't involve breathing.  If the mfrs had worked with the pub health people in the first place OSHA would never have been created.  Like every agency I know of it was created to right a terrible wrong.

I was in the paint both while all my cars were shot and I only had a charcole mask on my face.  How did that Mex that id it for a living manage or did he in fact manage. He sure wouldn't have gotten any med treatment in SD.  Like Clifford said "the EPA banned....".  I have never heard of a single substance that the EPA banned that turned to be nourishing after all.  Never.

Stay out of that paint both and if outside stay upwind.  I held my breath for a few minutes before retreating to catch my breath.  Isocyano....what? "Need a booth, John".  A pasture will do nicely if I am up wind, thank you.  And I am still stupid like that but I won't work anyone else like that or even allow.

Buses are constructed with materials that out-gas and we should investigate the appropriateness of some of this stuff and heating a lot of it does change its character.  Complicated.  Oh yeah, I remember....EPA approved....American Society of ?approved, etc.   Look for the good housekeeping seal of approval cause these types of protection have been around for a long time and the need never changes.  Greed!
John

John

[Chopper Scott]

All I can say is Imron overspray on the floor lasts years and years. Anyone thinking of such should leave it to the pros lest it get into your lungs. I worry about my buds that have done it for most of their lives and the chemicals they are involved with. But then again I've been welding for over 30 years now and I have a feeling that that will catch up to me someday also. I look back to the lyrics of a song by Neil Young. "What makes you live will kill you in the end". But basically any paint product is not good for you especially anything with a hardener. Painting something as large as a bus, expecting perfection that lasts forever.................... and at a reasonable price........... good luck. And then consider the government regulations and the long term health issues of the guy doing it. I think all of our advise was nothing compared to hopefully what the people painting the bus has given her. They do it for a living. Just live with the flaws and enjoy! Can't wait for the after pics!

[DaveG]

Catalyst

[rv_safetyman]

Chopper, I have the same concern.  In the old days I used to shoot lacquer paint and drink a beer or two - wonderful "high".  Problem was I drove home a couple of times and don't remember it.

I have done a ton of things that I will probably pay for.  One of the worst was to weld on galvanized steel -- a terrible thing to do!!!!

After I painted my '56 with urethane in '87 (what they called a wet-wet system -- sprayed basecoat and clearcoat in one setting), I ended up in the hospital with low oxygen issues.

Since then, I have had chest X-rays every year.  This year my new doctor questioned my (and my previous doctor's) intelligence.  He said that after 10 years that permanent lung damage would have showed up and the radiation risk was a whole lot worse than the other damage.  Hope he is right.  Obviously, the issue is much bigger than lung problems, but I figured that was the first place it would show up.

I often say that if I knew I was going to live this long (67+) I would have taken better care of myself

[luvrbus]

Jim, what did you need a beer for when spraying lacquer LOL never fear if there is a health related problem that shows up these TV lawyers will be all over it like white on rice and just look at all the money waiting for you.
Me I have this thing  about plastic and PVC working where they made vinyl chloride when I was younger I will not drink from plastic or set on vinyl LOL


Clifford

[James77MCI8]

Make sure that your painter uses etching primer on the bare aluminum.

[JohnEd]

Jim, what did you need a beer for when spraying lacquer LOL

From the mouths of Babes, Jim, from the mouth of Babes.  Turns out that Lac thinner has METHANOL in it.  That will kill you or blind you or do perm liver or brain damage.  It is not a major food group.  NO KIDDING!

Now, from my journey through the Bio D fields I have picked up some "pointers".   Methanol is a primary ingredient in the process of making Bio.  (I have 55 gallons out back)  Handling it is dangerous and there are a lot of precautions and measures......water to flush t out of eyes or off skin....skinning hook to cut off clothing...forced ventilation....sloping floor to a vent to get the fumes out   AND A COUPLE BOTTLES OF BEER   Your eyes haven't been deceiving you....beer is a safety measure for handling meth and you are supposed to guzzle it as fast as you can and as soon as you can.  Turns out that the meth will destroy your liver n short order.  The human body actually ha a preference for "ETHANOL" and will select it out of all the stuff in the body to process FIRST.  That getting busy with the ethanol AND DELAYING THE PROCESSING OF THE METH  will save your life.  Seems that meth is processed by other parts of the body if the liver isn't available and that process does no lasting damage.  EVERY BioD maker knows this and the next time you hear the words "cross pollination" understand that it through exposing our selves to other experts from unrelated fields we pick truly valuable bits of information.

Jim, you may very well owe your life to those couple beers and most certainly you minimized the damage of your exposure.  You don't know what you don't know and you can never be sure of what you didn't remember.  Stay with us now.

Clifford, thank you for bring this up.  If even one Knut avoids harm it will be worth the risk of alienating you.

John

[ruthi]

Well, we have an unlimited warranty on the paint job, and we decided to go with what they think is best, which is urethane. Most of the priming was already done, but they are finishing up a few areas. They are doing working on all the areas that are hard to get to right now, inside compartment door edges, etc. We appreciate all the help. We will keep updating as time goes by.

[JohnEd]

I can st ill see my reflection in the urethane strips I painted on my S&S more than 15 years ago.  Never waxed and always outside.  Good choice.

John

[belfert]

Isn't a full face mask that gets fresh air from outside the paint booth/area the best way to prevent damage to the lungs and eyes?

If I ever get around to painting my bus myself I am planning to get the Hobbyaire system that provides fresh air to a full face mask.  I assume it would be good enough for occasional use.