rivet question

[travelingfools]

With the weather turning crappy, putting an end to our camping, I made the corparate descion to pull the windows and frames off the bus in preparation for skinning. I got three off the pas. side today and have my alum in the garage ready to go. My question is about the type of rivet. I was thinking of using this style as opposed to the type where the center is pulled through the face. Comments or concerns ?

[FloridaCliff]

I don't think thats a rivet!

It looks like an anchor with a head you hammer in to expand it, usually used to anchor in concrete.

Cliff

[makemineatwostroke]

Cliff; that is a drive rivet they work good in some places I don't know about what he is using it for    have a great evening

[travelingfools]

I was thinking about using the drive rivet to skin the side of my bus.. Sorry...Im having computer issues. I had a fairly long post explaining that, then my computer froze and I got pissed off...lol

[PP]

My computor just froze and lost the message I was going to post.  In short, those are generally used to mount signs on concrete walls. Not sure I would use them for skinning a bus FWIW. Good luck, Will

[makemineatwostroke]

PP; that is not the same rivet those are made flush and counter sunk and made for metal to metal I was thinking more on the lines of structural for a MCI.Then I remembered that trailer mfg and truck body (van) mfg use that type rivet, they use a special air hammer to install those at the places I seen that style used   have a great evening

[white-eagle]

i used something like that when i popped a couple rivits off and needed to replace them.  we used a small air hammer to pound them in.  the good side is that they don't have the open center where the rain can come in.  they seem to be holding the alum side on ok where i put them in.

[JackConrad]

Make sure the rivets are designed for the thickness you will be going through. If designed for a thicker wall, they will not tighten. I do not know what the structural strength of this rivet is.  Jack

[FloridaCliff]

TF,

I used the shaved head rivets when I reskiinned.

They leave the mandrel on after pulling them, and then you snip and shave the mandrel down to a smooth finish.  They are structural.

They are also a little pricey, but in my opinion there ease of use, forgiveness for an odd shaped hole was worth it.

I only needed help to set the 10' sections in place and once I had a few Cleco's in, I could do the rest by myself.

Until I snipped all the ends off, the neighbors called it the "Pin Head Bus"

Best of luck,

Cliff

[Sojourner]

I don't think thats a rivet!

It looks like an anchor with a head you hammer in to expand it, usually used to anchor in concrete.

Cliff

I believe he right. I believe it is soft metal plug w/ring to hold something onto concrete or thick metal into blind hole. Look at the split relieved cut. The expansion portion is about 2 or 3 diameter away from ring head. Which mean a very loosely compress and being a push type inserts is reverse to the common bus skin rivet.

If you talking about installing bus's skin onto the framing....use structural rivet only. Either solid aluminum or pull type structural design. However, to mount window's frame to skin & framing does not have to be structural but a good sealing & holding type rivet.

Call Byler Rivet to the latest & lowest cost structural rivet for the application.
http://www.bylerrivet.com/contact.aspx

Or do your homework:
Fastening Systems International
http://www.fsirivet.com/product_lines.php

A true structural rivet is a shaft retain tightly within the surrounded compressed rivet to give a bolt like connection to retard the shear movement.

All non trusses design frame buses does depend on the skin to be structural. Such as all GMC, before the late 1990's MCI & Prevost.

FWIW

Sojourn for Christ, Gerald

[makemineatwostroke]

I found this outfit has the best prices on any type rivets  www.rivetsinstock.com  with a better selection when buying a large amount   

have a great day

[travelingfools]

Thanks all for the info..time to get a rivet education !!