I sent the Country Coach to Phoenix for a windshield and gave the driver a credit card for fuel.I get alerts for purchases damn $710.00 for 148 gals of diesel is crazy. Then I think about Van with the Prevost with a 220 gal tank 200 gals would be almost a $1000.00,this game is getting to rich for me
Bidenomic's at work isn't it great. Time to vote his @$# out of office next election before we're all standing in soup lines and waiting for our one roll of toilet paper for the month. Unless your an illegal immigrant all is well.
Amen x 1000000000000.
Quote from: luvrbus on October 11, 2023, 02:29:02 AM
I sent the Country Coach to Phoenix for a windshield and gave the driver a credit card for fuel.I get alerts for purchases damn $710.00 for 148 gals of diesel is crazy. Then I think about Van with the Prevost with a 220 gal tank 200 gals would be almost a $1000.00,this game is getting to rich for me
Yeah...mine is 192...
I often have 1.00 discounts from the grocery store. Unfortunately the bus won't fit there. But I have cans...
Quote from: luvrbus on October 11, 2023, 02:29:02 AM
I sent the Country Coach to Phoenix for a windshield and gave the driver a credit card for fuel.I get alerts for purchases damn $710.00 for 148 gals of diesel is crazy. Then I think about Van with the Prevost with a 220 gal tank 200 gals would be almost a $1000.00,this game is getting to rich for me
Technically our main is 240gal, Aux tank is 75gallon and I do fill up every 500mi. At 6.5 mpg it is not getting much cheaper. Good to be parked up a bit.
Quote from: epretot on October 11, 2023, 04:57:09 AM
Yeah...mine is 192...
I often have 1.00 discounts from the grocery store. Unfortunately the bus won't fit there. But I have cans...
I get the $1.00 discount sometimes, here it only on the 1st 35 gals though it helps because their fuel is not over priced like Pilot and Loves to begin with their regular price is cheaper that Love's when you the so called discounts cards at Love's and Pilot
quit whining - fuel up in CA, big boys with fat wallets only. $6.25 average today
Quote from: tr206 on October 11, 2023, 04:19:44 AM
Bidenomic's at work isn't it great. Time to vote his @$# out of office next election before we're all standing in soup lines and waiting for our one roll of toilet paper for the month. Unless your an illegal immigrant all is well.
Unfortunately I think it's just not bad enough yet. Remember how bad it had to get in New York before Rudy Jeuliani got voted in. He lost the first time around because people just hadn't had enough yet.
This is no place for politics. We'd rather put up with ads. Just saying.
I know this isn't necessarily a fuel milage thread, but I posted once that I got 7.91 mpg when I went to Weiser Idaho. I was following a friend that drives like there's no tomorrow. The last trip we took was about 300 miles round trip and I got 8.6 mpg, and that included 4500 foot White Pass (WA). So, I'm planning on not fueling up when I bring my bus home until I get to the Yakama reservation (about 10 miles from my home) where the price is currently $4.15. I filled up there before I left. That would put me at about 875 miles round trip. I figure I will have just under a half tank left when I fill up again. My fuel gauge appears to work well and is currently (if I recall correctly) at about 3/4 tank.
We used TSD/Openroads fuel discount on this recent round trip to Nappanee from FL. 2300 miles total. Our fuel savings at the diesel big truck lanes was over 11% discount from pump prices. Saved over $160 total.
Quote from: dtcerrato on October 11, 2023, 01:39:42 PM
We used TSD/Openroads fuel discount on this recent round trip to Nappanee from FL. 2300 miles total. Our fuel savings at the diesel big truck lanes was over 11% discount from pump prices. Saved over $160 total.
What was the price before the discount I never save any money with TSD card it took a bite out of the over inflated posted prices at truck lanes
Quote from: luvrbus on October 11, 2023, 08:12:37 AM
I get the $1.00 discount sometimes, here it only on the 1st 35 gals though it helps because their fuel is not over priced like Pilot and Loves to begin with their regular price is cheaper that Love's when you the so called discounts cards at Love's and Pilot
Yes. 35 gallon maximum here as well. I buy so many groceries, I should apply for an exemption.
Quote from: dtcerrato on October 11, 2023, 10:11:52 AM
This is no place for politics. We'd rather put up with ads. Just saying.
No Politics ok. If there is no change come the next election we will be talking about where we permanently parked are buses because we can't afford to drive them anymore. Can't sell them who is going to buy them?
Quote from: tr206 on October 11, 2023, 05:09:42 PM
No Politics ok. If there is no change come the next election we will be talking about where we permanently parked are buses because we can't afford to drive them anymore. Can't sell them who is going to buy them?
Um, how big do you think the 'bus conversion nuts' demographic is? We're not going to swing an election for local pet control officer, let alone anything national. Save the political whinging about gas prices for other venues.
Quote from: luvrbus on October 11, 2023, 03:18:53 PM
What was the price before the discount I never save any money with TSD card it took a bite out of the over inflated posted prices at truck lanes
1st number is pump price per gal./2nd number is discounted price per gal.
Love's Jackson GA 4.389 / 3.967 -42.2
Casey's Shelbyville IN 4.499 / 4.208 -29.1
Love's Corbin KY 4.649 / 4.137 -51.2
Petro Kingsland GA 4.459 / 3.807 -65.2
One can see the savings per gal varies at different locations.
Our best per gal savings was on the return trip from Alaska @ $1.10/gal & the semis were lined up!
No pump cut off at set amount & really fast filling a bonus.
I didn't think this forum was on Facebook! (yet) :o
Can't take the $$$ with ya so just enjoy life & spend it.
Otherwise we'll turn it into a tiny home.
Just can't bring ourself to sell it, ever.
Quote from: dtcerrato on October 11, 2023, 05:19:37 PM
I didn't think this forum was on Facebook! (yet) :o
Can't take the $$$ with ya so just enjoy life & spend it.
Otherwise we'll turn it into a tiny home.
Just can't bring ourself to sell it, ever.
True you can't take it with but sure as hell are not going anywhere without it
Not a place for politics as it should be. But, Here's the truth. Any president of the United States has little power to control the price of fuel. This president has done what a few other presidents have done, but it has only a minor effect on the price. The major fuel companies have certain things that will cause delays or price increases on a minor scale, but WARS, fires at their plants, dramatic weather changes, and the single biggest change to prices is when Americans stop taking vacations, buy energy efficient vehicles, are home bound with the flu or some scourge like covid. Our country no longer puts price caps on consumer fuel station prices. Or even restrict multiple increases in fuel prices within a short time. Our congress has more ability to do something with fuel prices than the President or Supreme Court, but the House in particular is and has been low and slow in doing their job, of taking care of us citizens. But quick to let the biggest corporations write bills to give the advantages to big business. Good job Brandon!...
Quote from: dtcerrato on October 11, 2023, 05:19:37 PM
I didn't think this forum was on Facebook! (yet) :o
Can't take the $$$ with ya so just enjoy life & spend it.
Otherwise we'll turn it into a tiny home.
Just can't bring ourself to sell it, ever.
I'll sell my house before I sell my bus! (don't tell my wife though!)
Quote from: lvmci on October 11, 2023, 08:40:25 PM
Not a place for politics as it should be. But, Here's the truth. Any president of the United States has little power to control the price of fuel. This president has done what a few other presidents have done, but it has only a minor effect on the price. The major fuel companies have certain things that will cause delays or price increases on a minor scale, but WARS, fires at their plants, dramatic weather changes, and the single biggest change to prices is when Americans stop taking vacations, buy energy efficient vehicles, are home bound with the flu or some scourge like covid. Our country no longer puts price caps on consumer fuel station prices. Or even restrict multiple increases in fuel prices within a short time. Our congress has more ability to do something with fuel prices than the President or Supreme Court, but the House in particular is and has been low and slow in doing their job, of taking care of us citizens. But quick to let the biggest corporations write bills to give the advantages to big business. Good job Brandon!...
You are wrong there Carter's creation of the Dept of Energy in 1977 gave presidents a lot of control over prices with policy and regulations. ,Reseach and see what happen to the 600 thousand barrels of oil seized from Iran a month ago and off loaded. If presidents have no say in prices answer me why did Biden deplete our SPR, the answer is to get a temporary break in prices and it worked for a short period but here we are in the real world now, oil is trading at around $85.00 a barrel for Nov delivery so we not going to get a break anytime soon
Quote from: dtcerrato on October 11, 2023, 05:17:41 PM
1st number is pump price per gal./2nd number is discounted price per gal.
Love's Jackson GA 4.389 / 3.967 -42.2
Casey's Shelbyville IN 4.499 / 4.208 -29.1
Love's Corbin KY 4.649 / 4.137 -51.2
Petro Kingsland GA 4.459 / 3.807 -65.2
One can see the savings per gal varies at different locations.
Our best per gal savings was on the return trip from Alaska @ $1.10/gal & the semis were lined up!
No pump cut off at set amount & really fast filling a bonus.
In Az we have RV pumps that are cheaper that truck islands with discounts because of taxes ,people use the truck islands because of the large fast fill nozzle's and some are easier to get into, I don't do truck islands myself since I am in no hurry and truck islands are always so nasty
Yep, politics doesn't effect fuel prices unless you are a democratic leg humper.
NACS, Advancing Convenience & Fuel Retailing
Does the President Control Gas Prices?
By Jeff Lenard 5 min read
Turns out that U.S. presidents have very little control over the price per gallon consumers pay at the pump.
May 03, 2023
(Editor's note: This blog was originally published on February 3, 2021, and updated on May 1, 2023, to reflect changes in the retail fueling market, including record gasoline prices.)
Let's start with a basic assumption that we can all agree upon: Politicians and their political parties don't want to be affiliated with high gas prices.
And that was fully on display in 2022 with record-high prices and a mid-term election.
Gas prices are the ultimate pocketbook issue that everyone talks about. Songs are written about them. You don't see that about eggs, bread or milk. Or property taxes, for that matter. Quite simply voters hate high—or rising—gas prices. That's probably the main reason that the federal gas tax hasn't budged since 1993 when it was increased to 18.4 cents per gallon.
So given that every politician wants to take credit for keeping gas prices in check, or better, lowering them, and every one running against an incumbent wants to pin blame on the person in charge, it makes sense that politicians would do everything in their power to keep gas prices low. Especially presidents.
So why are they so bad at it?
Actually, it's not that they're bad at it. It's that they have very little control over it. Yes, policies and legislation can certainly play a role, but gas prices are largely dictated by oil prices and oil prices are dependent upon supply and demand. Presidential control is not as simple as what those posts suggest on social media...
Quote from: chessie4905 on October 12, 2023, 04:33:26 AM
Yep, politics doesn't effect fuel prices unless you are a democratic leg humper.
Facebook anyone?
Not always supply and demand, Presidents and his department heads control the leasing for the land to explore, they control the permits to drill, they control the pipelines to distribute the oil on federal land.We are paying out billions under Biden for sign leases he wouldn't issue permits to drill even the Indians are pissed at some of the crap. Why do think Texas has so much oil drilling and production it because they don't deal with the federal government BS all the wells are on private land and the US government has no say, expect for some boundaries in the Gulf of Mexico .The private producers in west Texas can sell their oil to any country that doesn't have a embargo, they sell to Mexico and sell a lot to refineries owned by Isarel in Big Spring Texas,they refine the oil into fuel and ship it out keeping just enough to take care of the few stations they own in West Texas, same deal with Citco owned by Venezuela and those are counted in the supply but never stay here.The rig count drops every month so the price will stay high for a while longer.Biden will never refill our SPR he lied and let the opportunity pass when the price was in the range he said he would replace the oil.Ok that enough for F/B too
How about that power ball?
put solar panels on the roof and drive an EV. done
Quote from: luvrbus on October 11, 2023, 02:29:02 AM
I sent the Country Coach to Phoenix for a windshield and gave the driver a credit card for fuel.I get alerts for purchases damn $710.00 for 148 gals of diesel is crazy. Then I think about Van with the Prevost with a 220 gal tank 200 gals would be almost a $1000.00,this game is getting to rich for me
Just tell yourself its a boat with wheels - a land yacht IOW. 1000 bux will feel like a hell of a bargain.
Quote from: bobofthenorth on October 12, 2023, 11:51:29 AM
Just tell yourself its a boat with wheels - a land yacht IOW. 1000 bux will feel like a hell of a bargain.
Yeah with Yacht you can burn 30 GPH and go about 15 miles!!!
Quote from: freds on October 12, 2023, 01:23:53 PM
Yeah with Yacht you can burn 30 GPH and go about 15 miles!!!
Not only that our boat would take 4000 gals ,I have no idea what marine fuel cost now but it always cost way more than a truck stop I can tell you.that toy I didn't keep long
Quote from: luvrbus on October 12, 2023, 02:02:51 PM
I have no idea what marine fuel cost now but it always cost way more than a truck stop I can tell you.that toy I didn't keep long
That's a crime committed by the marine fuel industry. Its dyed fuel. Its got no road tax on it. It should be cheaper than OTR fuel.
Quote from: bobofthenorth on October 12, 2023, 02:24:12 PM
That's a crime committed by the marine fuel industry. Its dyed fuel. Its got no road tax on it. It should be cheaper than OTR fuel.
Maybe time for Farm Fuel! Has anyone here been dipped lately?
Quote from: Van on October 12, 2023, 02:49:42 PM
Maybe time for Farm Fuel! Has anyone here been dipped lately?
Kind of of hard to find while you are the road. But even if you started out a tank of farm fuel and burned 90% of it, it would still contaminate/be detectable for the next few tanks of regular fuel.
Now if you had an aux tank you could say oh that's for the diesel heater/generator...
Quote from: luvrbus on October 12, 2023, 08:40:02 AM
Not always supply and demand, Presidents and his department heads control the leasing for the land to explore, they control the permits to drill, they control the pipelines to distribute the oil on federal land.We are paying out billions under Biden for sign leases he wouldn't issue permits to drill even the Indians are pissed at some of the crap. Why do think Texas has so much oil drilling and production it because they don't deal with the federal government BS all the wells are on private land and the US government has no say, expect for some boundaries in the Gulf of Mexico .The private producers in west Texas can sell their oil to any country that doesn't have a embargo, they sell to Mexico and sell a lot to refineries owned by Isarel in Big Spring Texas,they refine the oil into fuel and ship it out keeping just enough to take care of the few stations they own in West Texas, same deal with Citco owned by Venezuela and those are counted in the supply but never stay here.The rig count drops every month so the price will stay high for a while longer.Biden will never refill our SPR he lied and let the opportunity pass when the price was in the range he said he would replace the oil.Ok that enough for F/B too
No Politics but Yeah, we know the Current Admin and Minions are P's OS regarding Fossil Fuels.
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Quote from: bobofthenorth on October 12, 2023, 02:24:12 PM
That's a crime committed by the marine fuel industry. Its dyed fuel. Its got no road tax on it. It should be cheaper than OTR fuel.
Bob what are you paying a gal now at the marinas, I was docked in San Deigo and had to pay CA prices
Quote from: freds on October 12, 2023, 03:28:36 PM
Kind of of hard to find while you are the road. But even if you started out a tank of farm fuel and burned 90% of it, it would still contaminate/be detectable for the next few tanks of regular fuel.
Now if you had an aux tank you could say oh that's for the diesel heater/generator...
Lot of stations in rural areas of Texas and AZ have off road diesel pumps, I filled at one by mistake in Strawberry AZ ,the owner was a Chevron dealer, I ask what do you want to do,he said pay me and drive on you have a diesel generator and heat lol they probably owe you
Truely who cares . We gave up on Politics years ago. It could be worse.
Life is good. Fuel is $3.79 here and diesel just went down to $4.41.
tr206 So yas know if you go to the off topic sections at the top is a political section you can play all you want. :^
Quote from: Dave5Cs on October 12, 2023, 04:56:44 PM
Truely who cares . We gave up on Politics years ago.
Precisely.
Quote from: luvrbus on October 12, 2023, 04:06:36 PMBob what are you paying a gal now at the marinas, I was docked in San Deigo and had to pay CA prices
We sold the hole in the ocean and bought a trailerable hole in the water which so far has only seen freshwater.
I once put dyed diesel in the frenchy bus by accident. Apparently in Montana you can just buy it which is completely different than what I'm used to. By the time I realized what I was doing I had 50 gallons in so I just finished filling the tank. Many tanks later - like 6 months later - I was doing some work on the Proheat and I could still see traces of red in the fuel. That dye is good stuff. I've never been dipped but I've never really pushed the farm fuel thing either. When I first had my license I had a Fiat 850 Sport Coupe. It only held 6 gallons. I used to put purple gas in clear glass jugs out in the sunlight. They'd bleach out in a few days but that would be a lot of screwing around if you were burning much gas.
Our prices in Ga are about like Dave5cs. I love driving my bus, but we only take about 4 big trips a year. We plan 5 trips this coming year. Fuel price is not a showstopper. My wife and I are not rolling in it, but we have a motto (me 66 she 56) that life is not a rehearsal. You can't take it with you, you can't come back and get it. Live a little before you can't! If you need to stress about fuel prices, stay home and be happy?
We didn't buy this bus to park it. Get it on the road, listen to some music, and watch the world go by. Good medicine for the soul, and you won't even think about politics.
Quote from: Tedsoldbus on October 13, 2023, 09:03:31 PM
Our prices in Ga are about like Dave5cs. I love driving my bus, but we only take about 4 big trips a year. We plan 5 trips this coming year. Fuel price is not a showstopper. My wife and I are not rolling in it, but we have a motto (me 66 she 56) that life is not a rehearsal. You can't take it with you, you can't come back and get it. Live a little before you can't! If you need to stress about fuel prices, stay home and be happy?
We didn't buy this bus to park it. Get it on the road, listen to some music, and watch the world go by. Good medicine for the soul, and you won't even think about politics.
We always did 10 to 15,000 miles a year,1 year we left home fuel was $1.00 a gallon coming back we paid as high as $5.00 a gallon that is how fast fuel can change in price. Fuel is not the biggest issue with converted buses, full timers can come out fairly good on a conversion, using one for 3 or trips a year can get expensive in the long run, lot of buses for sale now. With the wife's health we decided to sell our Country Coach, so I sent it to Phoenix to a dealer, I spent $8000.00 for tires and $4000.00 for batteries for a rig that has set for over a year. I did the math insurance cost me $2500.00 a year plus license plates were $800.00 year over $300.00 a month for something setting, it is out of my sight and still cost me the $3500.00 yesterday for insurance and plates lol, The dealer keeps trying to trade me a Prevost Angola conversion with 2 slides and I keep telling him I don't need a 45 ft bus conversion if I wanted that I would keep my Country Coach.The older you get some things are just not that important anymore
Fyi Tesla large charging station in Coalinga CA. powered by diesel generator hidden in a Shell station shell.
Quote from: chessie4905 on October 14, 2023, 06:08:02 AM
Fyi Tesla large charging station in Coalinga CA. powered by diesel generator hidden in a Shell station shell.
All the tow services in this area have portable diesel generators for charging EV's,we don't have any charging stations I have saw on the AZ side Mohave Valley,Fort Mohave or Bullhead City but Needles CA have charging stations every where,lol even one of the pot shops there is installing a charging station.I saw a experimental EV deck boat at one of the stations that should work out good
If y'all keep this up I'm gonna start in on my pinko commie leftist bs just to provide some balance
🤣
Clifford, if you got fuel in Strawberry it must have been a long time ago. We moved there the first time in May of 2001 and the only places you could buy fuel were down the hill in Pine. :)
ED it was Pine at the Chevron not Strawberry I get those 2 mixed up not much at either town ,I go across that way going from Rimrock to Payson to the sons place at Globe miles of nothing but beats doubling back to Phoenix to catch 60 to Globe
"Miles of nothing", That is why we like it up here. We are about 100 yards away from the hiway going to Globe. ;D
Quote from: Ed Hackenbruch on October 16, 2023, 05:28:49 AM
"Miles of nothing", That is why we like it up here. We are about 100 yards away from the hiway going to Globe. ;D
It is a nice drive all the trees and wild life,the traffic in Payson can be bad sometimes.I have to stop at the pie shop in Pines every trip.I don't do that route after the 1st week in Nov because of the snow.I thought you moved to Yuma ?
Came in from Rockport Texas to house yesterday and passed one (Small Store with a truck island off side) Diesel $3.49. Went a few miles down the road and got it for $3.69. At 100 gallons still makes you pucker. Here in Kingsland Texas (Lake LBJ) $3.99. FJB.
Clifford, bought a house in Tonto Basin, Yuma was getting too busy for us. Lots of houses being built, more traffic. Have the place in Yuma up for sale. Pie place you are talking about next to the highway on the right side as you hit town? That would be Strawberry, not Pine.
Isn't old age a bitch.? >>>Dan
Better than pushing daisies hopefully.
I never pay attention to the names of those small towns it is nice area about 6000 ft Alt, people from Phoenix escape to the area during the summer and there is always something going on till the end of Oct, Lake Roosevelt is on my drive too, it a nice drive compared to all the desert here in AZ.That is a nice thing about living in AZ it only takes a couple of hours to go from 115 to 80 degrees. I am not into snow skiing anymore, but it is big here in AZ
Quote from: epretot on October 11, 2023, 04:57:09 AM
I often have 1.00 discounts from the grocery store. Unfortunately the bus won't fit there. But I have cans...
Do your grocery discounts have a gallon limit? It seems common to limit to 20 or 25 gallons, or to limit to gas only and no diesel. I still remember a story from Sean about filling up over 150 gallons in his Neoplan using a grocery store discount. They had shopped for groceries at a Safeway and got a pretty generous per gallon discount that worked for diesel with no gallon limit. I remember him writing that it took more than half an hour filling with a small diesel nozzle.
I went on my yearly 4,000 mile trip and spent around $2,700 on diesel. I didn't even fuel up in Fernley, Nevada (our destination) this year because the price was well over $5 a gallon. It was $4.65 a gallon 100 miles away. There were four of us covering the fuel so it would have been over $600 each. Luckily, two of the guys who had to pull out last minute still threw in $400 each so it cost us around $450 each.
We used Mudflap all but two fuel stops. Once the pump price was less than Mudflap for some reason. The other is the final stop to top off near home, but that was only like $150. Maverik has great fuel prices along I-80 through Utah and Nevada. Most of the stations are pretty new and they have a truck island. They even have a single pump on one end for gas and diesel motorhomes that can't use two pumps. That lane was usually empty because semis need two pumps so we used that lane. My Dina can fuel from either side, but it is the same tank. My understanding is using both pumps would not speed up fueling.
Mavericks are part of the Call family of Flying J Mangement nice stores nothing to with Pilot/FJ, Crystal Call is taking Maverick back to like the old F/J were in the past before Pilot she is in 12 states now,lol I don't shop Pilot/FJ ,Warren Buffet has enough money without help from me
25-30 years ago when I was building my bus conversion I predicted by the time I retired I wouldn't be able to afford the fuel. I was right. I now have a fully loaded Lance Camper and a 2018 Silverado 3500 HD 4WD with the 6.0 engine. It has everything I need for trips and camping, and gets 11-12 mpg with the camper using 87 octane gas. I am not interested in full timing and living in it.
Quote from: belfert on October 21, 2023, 03:01:15 PM
Do your grocery discounts have a gallon limit?
Yes. 35 gallons
Quote from: Geoff on October 22, 2023, 05:41:15 AM
25-30 years ago when I was building my bus conversion I predicted by the time I retired I wouldn't be able to afford the fuel. I was right. I now have a fully loaded Lance Camper and a 2018 Silverado 3500 HD 4WD with the 6.0 engine. It has everything I need for trips and camping, and gets 11-12 mpg with the camper using 87 octane gas. I am not interested in full timing and living in it.
Geoff,about all the guys we hung with years ago have moved on to other things than buses it is a different crowd now gone are the 100 bus rallies .It is just a matter of time before regulations make older buses yard art sad to see it happen but it will
Sad but true, but until we just can't we will continue to enjoy the antique beast of beauty as a traveling bus, anything less would still be a nifty miniature home or cottage somewhere. Just saying there are still undieing loves out there. A couple to few rallies a year suffices. An air conditioned bus barn helps keep it preserved in between not so frequent using. It's not like owning something newer that is depreciating.
Quote from: dtcerrato on October 22, 2023, 10:50:15 AM
Sad but true, but until we just can't we will continue to enjoy the antique beast of beauty as a traveling bus, anything less would still be a nifty miniature home or cottage somewhere. Just saying there are still undieing loves out there. A couple to few rallies a year suffices. An air conditioned bus barn helps keep it preserved in between not so frequent using. It's not like owning something newer that is depreciating.
The wealthy want the deprecation my doctor in Scottsdale buys a new Marathon conversion just for the $3000.00 a day deprecation they are in a different league than us Dan,I was lucky and found my coach a Dr had squeezed every dollar he could and needed to sell it at a low book price to squeeze a few more bucks for deductions.
Quote from: luvrbus on October 18, 2023, 07:45:24 AM
That is a nice thing about living in AZ it only takes a couple of hours to go from 115 to 80 degrees.
How about 110 to 55 in 50 minutes! You can always tell the tourists in SF since they are in T-shirts and shorts in August. lol