Latest CARB info on new emissions testing for diesel RV/buses. It's real and coming soon.
https://ww2.arb.ca.gov/resources/documents/guidance-vehicle-owners-2024-periodic-testing-requirements-vehicles-subject-0
Good place to stay away from. Even some residents agree.
https://www.santacruzsentinel.com/2023/07/26/california-exodus-state-population-projected-to-remain-the-same-through-2060/
They only have themselves to blame. California has been a mess on so many levels for decades. Then they have the nerve to complain that tourism is suffering which is a major source of revenue.
Naw, the Federal government is their new source of revenue.lol
It's been coming for years and they will change the rules till the 2 cycle DD is laid to rest
That sounds about right, my two cycle will be laid to rest in unison with it's owner. We'll just fall asleep together and in my eternal dream it comes with me or better put I'll go with it! :^
Quote from: dtcerrato on September 06, 2023, 06:19:17 AM
That sounds about right, my two cycle will be laid to rest in unison with it's owner. We'll just fall asleep together and in my eternal dream it comes with me or better put I'll go with it! :^
There are not that many 2 cycles DD left around any more ,even the after market parts are going away or they have doubled the price for parts
Yeah?, Better check the Detroit Diesel 2 stroke page on FB. They are alive and well. New surge of interest by the younguns.
Quote from: chessie4905 on September 06, 2023, 06:10:37 PM
Yeah?, Better check the Detroit Diesel 2 stroke page on FB. They are alive and well. New surge of interest by the younguns.
They will lose interest it is just a fad now, most of those into the 53 series
Quote from: chessie4905 on September 06, 2023, 06:10:37 PM
Yeah?, Better check the Detroit Diesel 2 stroke page on FB. They are alive and well. New surge of interest by the younguns.
Disposable Money. You an buy an older 2 stroke powered Bus a heck of a lot cheaper than 4 strokes.
The 2 cycles had a good and long life ,there will never be another engine made were parts were so interchangeable from model to model it was indeed a unique system,there is no big demand for parts now so MTU dropped the 2 cycles support and sold it to BMW lol you want to see prices out of the world buy from BMW
Not saying this is the case for all of you. However, people get sentimental over just about everything. Nothing wrong with having our favorite things but some people take it very hard when things disappear for whatever reasons. Bottom line, try not to get sentimental over DETROIT DIESEL 2 cycle engines. Not saying they were bad quite the contrary. But they are pretty much gone. Plus, the engine is just another component in this case, it provides power for a bus. Jet engines have changed over the decades and yet the planes still fly.
Another reason to letting go is trying to find a Mechanic with tools and knowledge to work on um. Had to take mine 125 miles South (San Antonio/Stewart Stevenson). Both Old Mechanics (Brothers) Retired and no one there now. Know there around but I looked around here for years and Crickets. Break down on the side of the road and you could be toast unless you know how to fix the problems. With Series 60's and other 4 strokes, there are still folks around with the smarts to fix. Wish we could Clone Cliff.
The longer we own our two stroke which is going on 45 years now the more knowledge we hold about it and also knowing people with the same knowledge and parts so there really isn't a struggle - just a pleasure to run an antique 50s unit that is upkept and very dependable. I may think differently if we ever needed a major unit rebuild but it runs like a well oiled machine and stays parked in air conditioned space. Three cross continent trips between FL & AK and can do many more IOHO. It just doesn't make sense to do anything different!
People don't use a RV that much they put very few miles on one a year, I did about 20,000 miles a year with my Eagle with a 8v92 with only 1 major problem I broke a cam outside El Paso Tx,The modern bus will give you less trouble than the older buses
Prices on 2 stroke conversions seem to hold steady over the past 7 years I have been involved. For an informed buyer, it seems any negative based on engine 2 vs 4 stroke is pretty well baked into pricing.
It only gets more difficult to gets parts and service but it seems it'll continue on a slow fade or maybe we are at the flat line for these old beasts. Not going to bet on any increases coming our way. lol
And these older coaches with DD have HOW many miles, rebuilds, abuse... Time will see how well 4 strokes hold up.
Quote from: chessie4905 on September 09, 2023, 08:54:30 AM
And these older coaches with DD have HOW many miles, rebuilds, abuse... Time will see how well 4 strokes hold up.
The series 60 would run longer without rebuilds than 4 rebuilds on the 2 cycles DD,and series 60 had its share of trouble in the early years.There is old saying the 2 cycles never died a natural death they were murdered by owners lot of truth to that saying,I have seen my share of torture before being murdered by owners
Quote from: luvrbus on September 09, 2023, 10:33:30 AM
There is old saying the 2 cycles never died a natural death they were murdered by owners lot of truth to that saying,
Just give it time, you can almost bank on it they'll murder those high mileage 60's too! ;)
Quote from: Van on September 09, 2023, 01:14:34 PM
Just give it time, you can almost bank on it they'll murder those high mileage 60's too! ;)
Yep you see it happening now
Are they really going after Series 60 in CA? I know the big switchover pretty much killed two strokes but I thought it also made the series 60 get converted or be gone by now and all remaining are compliant. But that of course assumes new tighter regs don't come down on those motors too. Like the 102D are popular for busnuts, are those heading to the grave?
Quote from: windtrader on September 09, 2023, 03:00:16 PM
Are they really going after Series 60 in CA? I know the big switchover pretty much killed two strokes but I thought it also made the series 60 get converted or be gone by now and all remaining are compliant. But that of course assumes new tighter regs don't come down on those motors too. Like the 102D are popular for busnuts, are those heading to the grave?
CARB banned the series 60 in Jan 2023 in anything weighing over 14,000 lbs, 2010 was the last year the series 60 was produced.The series 60 still remains so popular in the other 49 states Detroit still supports parts and service for the engine 13 years later
I figure my Series 60 will last me as long as I want to drive the bus. As for CA, none of the rest of the world really cares. They can go ahead and be suicidal idiots if that's what they want.
Jim
Quote from: Jim Blackwood on September 10, 2023, 04:15:33 AM
I figure my Series 60 will last me as long as I want to drive the bus. As for CA, none of the rest of the world really cares. They can go ahead and be suicidal idiots if that's what they want.
Jim
The series 60 is going needs to be maintained too they don't run forever in a bus without it, they have a maintenance guide you need to follow, the ceramic rollers on the cam follower if you have those can cost you some big money and injectors are not cheap either, the bearing on the bull gear is no big deal if you catch before it fails,pre EGR series 60 give you less problems than the 2000 and above series 60 and you find 2 different grades of series 60 also in buses