After a recent Grease Monkey bus rally on the way from western TN back to FL I looked up a couple bus nuts in Eastern TN & SC. From eastern TN to SC I took highway 129. That highway and every one approaching it and leaving it were probably the tightest hairpin switch back turns we have ever seen in our bus in the 42 years of ownership. When one of the forum's bus nuts asked me the date & time of day I did the "Tail of the Dragon" portion - to my surprise he responded with the following link to a commercial camera that is permanently set up on a turn that photos all vehicles + motor cycles making the run. Check it out! - yeah I had to order a couple high resolution digital prints. I might add there was signage entering the Dragon stating 30' max on vehicles. Being 35' didn't bother me because we always fit into campsites that are max for 20' LOL
If the link works, it will take you to a picture of my bus on the dragon.
https://xtremesportsphotography.photoreflect.com/store/orderpage.aspx?pi=0QAK0479040167&po=164&pc=2086
The following morning still working my way to the SC bus nut when I tried to enter the Blue Ridge Parkway the attached photos are what I was greeted with! A very exciting and successful trip & rally to say the least. :^ 8)
This summer we travelled up along the big Sur coast road. The upper part into Ore. was tight like that. No semis allowed on that portion of road. Had to keep from hitting the tt in the back end. Was on inside lane, so had to watch cliff walls.
I was on some interstate through West Virginia many years ago. Super twisty with lots of short hills. Speed limit was 65. What a laugh. Trucks flew on it.
The coast hwy below Carmel is also awful tight. I took Nicky on a my motorcycle to see the restaurant/bar where you sit in a river sipping your drink, terrible winds on the high cliff hairpin turn, almost blew us over. When we were leaving a new Prevost tour bus had just parked, and all the passengers were hugging and kissing the old coddger driver and the passengers were saying that they didn't think they would make it to the park lodge!...
Quote from: lvmci on November 09, 2021, 01:53:58 PM
The coast hwy below Carmel is also awful tight. I took Nicky on a my motorcycle to see the restaurant/bar where you sit in a river sipping your drink, terrible winds on the high cliff hairpin turn, almost blew us over. When we were leaving a new Prevost tour bus had just parked, and all the passengers were hugging and kissing the old coddger driver and the passengers were saying that they didn't think they would make it to the park lodge!...
Looks like a regular hiway in Idaho ,want a treat drive old high way route 66 from Oatman to Kingman or 89A from Jerome to Prescott AZ
Yeah, after reading several reviews, decided not to take tt on 89A. After getting to campground. We travelled on that route with the truck. Didnt seem that bad to us. But a straight 40 ft coach it would be tough, especially so if running along cliff side.
Quote from: chessie4905 on November 09, 2021, 02:50:59 PM
Yeah, after reading several reviews, decided not to take tt on 89A. After getting to campground. We travelled on that route with the truck. Didnt seem that bad to us. But a straight 40 ft coach it would be tough, especially so if running along cliff side.
It is beautiful drive across to Flagstaff on 89a from Camp Verde through Sedona all except for the dumb rounds and rounds
Yeah, on a 40 foot coach you would have to be careful not to hit yourself on the back end.lol
Clifford,
I am afraid of heights, which is worse when there are no guard rails. I did Rt 66 from Oatman to Kingman in my Jeep Liberty and was really moving slow. My kids were complaining that the goats were going to pass us!
Steve
Quote from: pabusnut on November 09, 2021, 05:39:53 PM
Clifford,
I am afraid of heights, which is worse when there are no guard rails. I did Rt 66 from Oatman to Kingman in my Jeep Liberty and was really moving slow. My kids were complaining that the goats were going to pass us!
Steve
Yea I went across there last year in a 45 ft rv and told the DW it was mistake before she wanted to do it, 30 miles in 3 hours I never was `` so glad to see Cool Springs before in my life.Some GPS's will route you over that mountain coming from Kingman to my place.Can you see Greyhound bus drivers driving that at night back in the 30's to the 60's
Quote from: lvmci on November 09, 2021, 01:53:58 PM
The coast hwy below Carmel is also awful tight. I took Nicky on a my motorcycle to see the restaurant/bar where you sit in a river sipping your drink, terrible winds on the high cliff hairpin turn, almost blew us over. When we were leaving a new Prevost tour bus had just parked, and all the passengers were hugging and kissing the old codger driver and the passengers were saying that they didn't think they would make it to the park lodge!...
Tom -I lost count how many times I've driven Hiway 1 between San Luis Obispo (SLO) and Carmel, in both directions, back in my charter days. NB and SB behind the wheel of 4106s, 4905s, MC-8s and MC-9s . Unlike some others, I really
LIKE driving that road, moreso in a manual transmission coach, because it definitely forces you to sharpen you defensive driving skills, especially in the summer and on weekends. You don't drive that road to "make time," you drive that road to allow your riders to thoroughly enjoy the beautiful scenery.
That being said, I always recommend to "newbies" who aren't familiar with the road to drive it NB from SLO to Carmel, not SB. That way they're hugging the mountain - better to put a scratch on it than to misjudge and end up in the Pacific! :o
FWIW & HTH. . .
RJ
Quote from: chessie4905 on November 09, 2021, 12:09:13 PM
This summer we travelled up along the big Sur coast road. The upper part into Ore. was tight like that. Was on inside lane, so had to watch cliff walls...
Chessie -Did you take CA-1 from San Luis Obispo thru Carmel/Monterey, San Francisco, Mendocino and Eureka into OR? As you discovered, it's quite the adventure! Smart to take it NB, better to kiss a cliff wall than misjudge and end up in the Pacific!
FWIW & HTH. . .
RJ
We went to Carson city, back to SanFrisco and up along the coast the rest of the way to Seattle Washington. Views were fantastic, stopped in Redwoods and Sequoia Natl parks. Drove through many redwoods also, saw Paul Bunyon, Babe blue ox. Spent three weeks in Ca. Never realized how much desert is in Ca. And how cold most of the Pacific ocean is. Were detoured twice due to the wildfires. Did several foggy days that when we asked a ranger what time does the fog lift, he said it won't, its smoke from the fires. Passed over 100 fire trucks, usually going opposite direction. Saw a lot of burned acreage, some recent. We drove through a mile where the downed trees were still smoldering. Three months of driving out west, one rainy all day, a couple with very brief showers, a few sprinkles and thats it.
Chessie, the drought in the southwest has been unrelenting, fires have been devastating, sorry my grandkids won't see as much forests as I have...
Quote from: chessie4905 on November 09, 2021, 07:16:49 PM
We went to Carson city, back to SanFrisco and up along the coast the rest of the way to Seattle Washington. Views were fantastic, stopped in Redwoods and Sequoia Natl parks. Drove through many redwoods also, saw Paul Bunyon, Babe blue ox. Spent three weeks in Ca. Never realized how much desert is in Ca. And how cold most of the Pacific ocean is. Were detoured twice due to the wildfires. Did several foggy days that when we asked a ranger what time does the fog lift, he said it won't, its smoke from the fires. Passed over 100 fire trucks, usually going opposite direction. Saw a lot of burned acreage, some recent. We drove through a mile where the downed trees were still smoldering. Three months of driving out west, one rainy all day, a couple with very brief showers, a few sprinkles and thats it.
Chessie -Ah, yes, the less-traveled Hiway 1/101 route NB out of The City. Well worth the trip if somebody wants to see more of CA than just Disneyland.
People from the East Coast often don't realize just how big CA really is. I found this cool overlay map, showing a reverse-image of CA superimposed on the East Coast to give folks some perspective:
RJ
Area around Bakersfield was interesting. All the oil pumping rigs and miles of tree groves. We stopped along one and I walked over and looked at the fruit. It was ALMONDS! Just miles of them. Still have one in inside door handle pocket. Saw other items growing out there also.
I think I saw more Teslas out there than in rest of country. I can see where electric cars make a lot of sense with the traffic out there. All the electric vehicles coming is going to be an exciting period in history, and to see how the infrastructure to run all of them is developed.
Similar to when the railroads switched from steam locomotives to diesels, which was a major upheaval for that time.
OK I'm just going to say it: Do NOT take your bus on the Dragon. To be totally frank about it, that is just Ignorant, and if you know the road, then ignorance is no longer an excuse and it has become stupid instead.
This is no place for crossing the centerline, and there's no way you can drive that road without doing just that. With about a hundred blind corners (no exaggeration) and both sports car drivers and motorcyclists sometimes ignoring the centerline as well, you will be lucky to get through without a bike or a rider or both wedged up underneath you and who needs that?
As a native of WV, it's oft said that if the state were flat the total area would be the size of Texas. Probably a slight exaggeration, I've driven Texas and it's a little hard to agree but Left Coasties just do not understand how contorted the ground really is. It's much less a matter of concern for damaging your bus and much more a matter of accidentally killing someone.
So just don't do it. Those tight rural Appalachian roads are no place for a bus. There are better places to drive it, and that WV turnpike referred to is one of them if you want curvy. Rt 19 is another. And if you want a deserted stretch drive Rt 60 between Sam Black Church and Lewisburg. Stick to roads well suited to the bus. Federal Highways are always a good choice.
If you want to drive a tight little road like the Dragon, park, unhitch your Toad, and drive it in that. And beware, there are MUCH tighter roads than the Dragon.
Jim
You need to skip Idaho if you don't like those type highways,they have 1 north south highway and it goes along the river and cliffs with no guard rails most of the road tour drivers don't seem to mind it though.I don't like the high way from Boise to Stanley you go up 8000ft with switch backs and then come down the same way
I lived out west for 4 years, partly in Cali and partly up on the plateau and wandered all around and I can tell you that what you guys consider a tight curvy road is a walk in the park. Just no comparison at all unless you want to count your dirt oxpaths. Or maybe sheep trails. The Appalachians are OLD mountains compared to the newcomer Rockies , Sierra-Nevadas and Wasatch and have been eroded into countless gullies and ravines that the western mountains just don't have. Sure out there you have altitude changes and that's it's own challenge but the phrase, "You can't get there from here." was born in the Appalachians and is as true today as it ever was. With a bus, even more so. It's not so much the sheer drop offs and lack of guard rails although those situations can surely be dangerous and intimidating. It's more the lack of adequate ROOM to put a road, yet put roads they did. They faithfully followed the old Indian trails and ferry roads and you really haven't experienced life to the fullest until you've been down one of those old unimproved ferry roads like Wood's Ferry on the Gauley River used to be. After much MUCH improvement over decades of time they can now get a school bus down to the river to take out whitewater rafts (there is no ferry, probably since the Civil War) but they use radios going in and out and outgoing has the right of way. No radio? You are not welcome. Even if, don't you DARE try to take your RV bus down there. They would probably burn it. After you dropped your rears off the edge and they rolled it down the mountain to clear the road. And that's to say nothing about all the pleasures of the impossible backing and filling you'd discover on the very first moderately sharp turn with more and worse to come.
Be smart. Just don't.
Jim
I have been all over Virginia the roads do have a lot curves in the Appalachians in the lates 60's our low boys hauling pipeline equipment from the east side to west used a lot of those roads with escorts.They would get hung up sometime ,I didn't find them that bad and I was flat lander lol we did replace a lot of bridges back then when the truck fell into one.To me the cow paths in PA they called highways in the mountains were worse. Tazewell VA sticks in mind for some reason I have yet to figure out why CRS
Virginia does have a few fairly respectable roads once you get up into the mountains, Tidewater Virginia not so much. It's a different state though in very many ways.
Seeing the sights in the Appalachians and the Blue Ridge is a fine pastime but it'd be good advice to spend some quality time with your road atlas before heading off the beaten path. Even better is to acquire an atlas for each state you will be spending time in, which will have detailed maps down to the county road level. Relying on a GPS for navigation in such an environment while traveling in a bus would strike me as the height of foolhardiness.
Jim
No but I did do Teton pass out of Jackson Hole Wyoming west bound.
That was a real experience and I ended up doing a pull out for the night about two thirds of the way up the pass.
Turning out my shift linkage needs adjusting as it wouldn't lock into first gear and was constantly shifting between first and second, so the bus wound up over heating and it actually shut down as soon as I pulled off.
A lot of people ended up camping out on the pass that night. A couple of them camped right next to me in a tent and I let them know I wouldn't lock the front door since it was bear country.
Next morning with the bus cold it made it the rest of the way over the pass and saw lots of people in both directions that elected to call it night during their passage.
I did have great cell/internet coverage so I watched a movie before bed.
No need to get into my state's curves are tighter than yours. I'm sure there are plenty of really tight turns in all areas. I was just thinking about how long CA is and the overlay map RJ posted really highlights how many states you cross in the same distance from traveling I5 from the Mexican border to the CA-OR border. Just add a couple more states on the I5 and you are knocking at Canada's door.
The other very unique characteristic of California is the geography and the weather patterns created by it's latitude, proximity to the Pacific Ocean, prevailing westerly wind, and the flow of air coming from the Arctic north.
I was thinking about different places to live with similar weather. Big zero. It is the only place in the continental USA that is blessed with anything close to these factors that provide such an incredibly pleasant overall year-round mild climate.
Plus as Cheese comments about the variety of the ocean, massive mountains, and deserts. It is a lot to pack into one place. No matter how bad the politics get, outrageously expensive, jammed urban cities, etc. it will always be at the top of places where people would like to live.
Unless you live here you really are missing seeing the shift to EV. There are plenty of Teslas now and still plenty of all varieties running down the OHV lanes during commute hours. Many commercial places such as office parks and shopping centers and parking garages are lined with charge stations. It is not the future but well underway here.
The other cultural perspective one would not experience unless spending time in the south bay or the City is the pervasive tech orientation of nearly everyone here. The chatter, whether standing in the line at the grocery store, or grabbing a coffee is always buzzing about some tech related topic.
Other places are growing tech but it will be a very long time before Silicon Valley no longer floats in the premier tier of tech entrepreneurship.
Quote from: windtrader on November 10, 2021, 06:52:15 PM
No need to get into my state's curves are tighter than yours. I'm sure there are plenty of really tight turns in all areas.
Very reasonable. My intention was to point out that there are places a bus should and should not go. Maybe I could have done that better and I hope I can be forgiven for saying what could be taken as personal criticism, which was not my aim.
But the point is, roads like the Dragon have become infamous as sports car and fast bike playgrounds. Which is both good and bad. Mainly what that means is that what may once have been a fairly benign challenge to driving skill in a big rig has become a threat to the survival of the customary denizens of those roads. The problem is twofold. One, you can not expect every driver or rider on such a road to be obeying the speed limits, the passing zones, or the center lines. That's just being practical because the truth of the matter is that a higher than average percentage of drivers there are present for the very reason that they intend to drive that way. To their mind they will do so in a safe manner, and given relatively normal conditions, they will be. The second part of the problem comes from basically two fronts as well. First the presence of sightseers, which will always be there in some numbers, essentially creating what are to the hot shoes a rolling roadblock. They know and accept that this will not change. The second is the occasional presence of a vehicle which should never be on that road in the first place. A perfect example is an 18 wheeler. If you have driven that road I'm sure you can imagine what that would be like. I don't have to, I've seen it. What you end up with is a truck that spans the entire pavement in the corners, gets high centered, and has a bike underneath it because he came around the next corner and had no place to go and no room to stop.
A bus would have much the same problem.
It doesn't matter what state this happens in. What does matter is that the big rig should not have been there. And if you are, it doesn't help a bit that you thought you had the skills to get through. Especially if the biker dies.
Jim
Quote from: Jim Blackwood on November 10, 2021, 09:34:49 AM
OK I'm just going to say it: Do NOT take your bus on the Dragon. To be totally frank about it, that is just Ignorant, and if you know the road, then ignorance is no longer an excuse and it has become stupid instead.
Jim
Jim thanks for your response, It's not exactly what I was looking for but at least only you referred to the Dragon & more than once so thanks for the acknowledgement . We've been enjoying the posts that this one has created as people's travels and chatting geographical stomping grounds are always fun to read.
We've owned our only coach since April of 79 and after 42 years she's still OEM 200HP two stroke 671IL. We raised our family in it & full timed it traveling 46 of the 50 states including AK twice with 3rd run coming this summer & 6 of the 10 Canadian provinces. It's towed 9 different vehicles from 1T to 3.5T, 7 different trailers from 2T to 5T and 2 boats. The coach has been through and some multiple times most of the National Parks & Forests, BLM Lands, National Seashores, & State parks etc etc. in the states traveled. We've been through & on top of some of the the Appalachians, Adirondacks, Poconos, Wasatch Front, Sierra Madres, Sierra Nevada's, Rockies, Canadian Rockies, etc. etc. in the bus. Never got a speeding ticket in the coach LOL – actually only been stopped by the law in the bus twice in 42 years – once in TX on I-10 for having wifey in the towed pushing me in the bus east bound for 30miles cause we ran out of fuel before the fuel gauge was installed. 2nd time on the Canadian USA border for not declaring a pair of giant moose antlers! Never was involved in an at-fault accident nor fender bender- sure hope I'm not jinxing myself here. Nothing better than sharing stories around a campfire, got a bunch of em'– one of these days – ya just never know. Getting screwed up with someone on the road drunk or texting or jibber jabbering has a lot better chance of happening than a collision with a bus on the Dragon mostly in 2nd gear at 20+ mph IMHO.
Maybe if we ever sit at the same camp fire I'll tell ya the story of when we were driving the coach to the very top parking lot of Kings Canyon NP for 1980 Thanksgiving dinner and stopped traffic dead on the way up due to bus mid body in oncoming lane. The rangers on horseback that help dislodge the jam shared some spirit with us later on at the bus. Stayed froze down there for four days. 8)
Carry on.
I would bet that in 1953 greyhound ran buses on roads just as tight as the dragon.
Huggy has been over it twice. Once in both directions.
And she did not have any problems.
I believe hy. 321 coming into pigeon forge has a couple of curves just as tight as the dragon and people know to look.
The dragon was more fun on my Floyd Clymner Velo Indian sidecar.
A big 500 cc british single.
uncle ned
And by the way on the week ends there a law enforcement person on about ever corner.
Too many people got killed and hurt on for a few years.
Not that way now.
speed limit is what now Dan.
uncle ned
Quote from: windtrader on November 10, 2021, 06:52:15 PM
The other very unique characteristic of California is the geography and the weather patterns created by it's latitude, proximity to the Pacific Ocean, prevailing westerly wind, and the flow of air coming from the Arctic north.
I was thinking about different places to live with similar weather. Big zero. It is the only place in the continental USA that is blessed with anything close to these factors that provide such an incredibly pleasant overall year-round mild climate.
Don it is interesting you say this because we have said it many times since we have been traveling. The weather is a big factor in many states we have been to. Food prices are another and fuel of course. Houses yes are more in California but in other states the newer homes are up there too, the older ones you get more land around them but are generally out a ways from any groceries or food places, Everyone mows their huge yards all week kind of funny but looks nice and in Kansas besides everything is so far apart it is really windy. Just this week they decided to vote on taking the tax .6.5% off food at the grocery store. California has not paid taxes on food ever since I can remember. Missouri and parts of Kansas has no smog or car inspections. Some areas do but not many. Arizona is just HOT and windy and sandy, Same with Texas. Not a fan. And non of these states have an Ocean can you believe that. :^
Quote from: Dave5Cs on November 11, 2021, 01:44:47 PM
Don it is interesting you say this because we have said it many times since we have been traveling. The weather is a big factor in many states we have been to. Food prices are another and fuel of course. Houses yes are more in California but in other states the newer homes are up there too, the older ones you get more land around them but are generally out a ways from any groceries or food places, Everyone mows their huge yards all week kind of funny but looks nice and in Kansas besides everything is so far apart it is really windy. Just this week they decided to vote on taking the tax .6.5% off food at the grocery store. California has not paid taxes on food ever since I can remember. Missouri and parts of Kansas has no smog or car inspections. Some areas do but not many. Arizona is just HOT and windy and sandy, Same with Texas. Not a fan. And non of these states have an Ocean can you believe that. :^
It is hot a windy here in Az in the summer months that why you leave,3 hours we can go from 120 degrees to 70 degrees with plenty of green and mountians.lol even here in the valley we are getting over run by Californians.Our highways here won't handle all the new traffic it is always backed up now. I saw a pickup loaded with furniture he had a big sign on the rear "Newsom kiss my @$# good bye". Northern California and San Diego I love, the rest you can keep to many wacky laws and fruit cakes for me to live there ,then I am not real happy here going into Sams and everyone is packing heat in a store,OK had sales taxes on food Idaho does too I think both have changed now like you I never saw that before.It tooks years for me to adjust to state income taxes in OK,Idaho and AZ never heard of a state income tax before in my life,state income taxes in AZ are on the way out now but they will tax something else you can bet on it>In the end all states in this nation have the Good,Bad and Ugly.even WY
Those "Cops on every corner" are now writing tickets for crossing the yellow centerline. And guess what? They have photographic evidence. No getting out of it. Think they will give your bus a pass? Maybe you are a gambling man.
Jim
@Uncle Ned
30mph, slower in the curves - for a bus anyways. ;)
Dave, the secret to Az is to be in the right place at the right time of year. You have to be mobile to do that......oh wait! you are!!! ;D
Ed, nope lol to darn hot and dry and blowing sand. :^
Quote from: Dave5Cs on November 12, 2021, 09:43:26 AM
Ed, nope lol to darn hot and dry and blowing sand. :^
Here in valley the Indians watch the weather report for wind then they plow the fields (dumb),it been real nice here but we will get the north winds in a few weeks for sure.You get a lot of wind,heat and sand in Ca too.San Bernardino County the largest county in the US is desert and hot as hell with lots of wind so it is not just AZ,lol remember Needles is CA
Dave - There are some rural counties in CA where smog testing is waived, probably due to the lack of people and pollution. Going to check this out and get some of my "problem" cars registered there, hopefully less insurance complications.
Since Clifford like to brag about going 3 hours to get a change of weather, I'll one up him on how the micro climates in the Bay Area are truly globally rare. On a typical summer day, you can be in Concord, CA about 20 miles as the crow flies to the Golden Gate. It will be 103 there. You drive west and the temperature drops one degree per mile. You go about 12 miles to the tunnel through the East Bay hills and it is now 90. Two minutes later you pop out the west side and it is instantly 75, 15 degree drop. Keep heading across the Bay Bridge and it is now 68 in SF. Head to Golden Gate Park and the ocean is 55 degrees. Typically it can be a 30 degree difference so this example is a bit on the fringe of everyday but still shows how dramatic the difference can be.
Many days, it would be 95 where we lived, too hot, get in car, go 15 minutes then super nice 75 degree weather. Many times we'd leave our house at 75, calm and sunny, head across town 6 miles to a kid's soccer game and it would be 60, foggy, and cold as hell. What say you now Clifford? LOL JK
I remember working Southern California's Santa Monica and East Los Angeles. The two were very different in temps. East LA would be in the high 70s to low 80s while Santa Monica in the am under the Mediterranean sea mist would barely climb into the 60s while the San Fernando Valley would feel like summer. Salt Lake City would be 94 & an hour to the east in the high Uinta's would be in the low 40s. That kind of diverse geography weather patterns happens in lots of places - especially with elevation change. The coastal Cali differences are all near sea level. Common knowledge is that the Mediterranean climates (west coast of continents) of the world are the most comfortable to humans. Geography & weather wise it's hard to beat coastal California but when stirred with atmospheric rivers, Santa Ana winds coupled with mud slides & wild fires Cali's weather can pack a punch. Mix all that with severe over population and spider webbed grid locked freeways then up goes populations in AZ, Idaho, etc. But one thing always stays constant: ie. A true bus nut can be wherever they wanna be... :^
LOL how long did it take you to drive the 12 miles,I like parts of CA but come on it is not the perfect place by a long shot neither is AZ .We are moving back to Scottsdale so my driving time will be about 45 mins then to the mountains,and we have no fog closest we get to fog is from CA burning blowing our direction.Dan you are right about Utah where Dan and Mike live up the hill from Cedar City in 10 miles you need the heater leaving the 90 dregree weather
Smart people ride their ebikes! LOL
Many places are getting congested for sure. No denying that. There were times when I'd bring a book and read a chapter while no cars moved through an intersection in downtown SF. Everyone just "blocked the block" so nobody could move. I miss the symphony of cars blaring horns thinking it would make the cars move. Finally wised up and took BART.
A couple of years ago the work trip to San Jose was so bad, every residential road, parking lot, gas station, and every drivable surface became fair game to get to your destination. I got into a carpool and learned some tricks. The crazy Asian lady had it all gamed out, going the opposite direction doing various U turn, cutting crossing across corner gas stations, etc to lessen the jams. SO glad no more driving to the work office. LA, SoCal of course is worse like Dan says
Quote from: luvrbus on November 12, 2021, 04:17:06 PM
We are moving back to Scottsdale. .
Clifford -Why are you moving back to Scottsdale?
Are you keeping the property in Mojave Valley?
RJ
Quote from: RJ on November 13, 2021, 12:42:47 AM
Clifford -
Why are you moving back to Scottsdale?
Are you keeping the property in Mojave Valley?
RJ
Mainly because of Sonja's health and the kids are there,I sold the hay farm and the warehouses here and selling the place Mohave Valley.I am not big on Scottsdale never liked it when we lived there for 15 years but it is what is Sonja never liked Mohave Valley Now back to wearing Docker shorts,Nike shoes and getting a hair cut every few weeks lol,I hate to move since Boomer is my neighbor now he is good friend we have a lot of fun.RJ I was thinking this morning life is funny you plan for the future and to make life better for xxx number of years then you spend the rest of life trying to get rid of the assets i did make life better for the kids and proud of it.We got way off topic on this thread
glad we got to meet you and Sonja this summer. She is a wonderful lady.
Quote from: chessie4905 on November 13, 2021, 08:07:59 AM
glad we got to meet you and Sonja this summer. She is a wonderful lady.
Thanks John we enjoyed meetiing you and Linda also,Sonja is a great persons she is a great wife and mother and has been a important part of my life for 50 years,With her education and me being sorta of a redneck people said our marriage would never last,we made it work.We were like the movie raising 6 kids we had yours,mine and theirs and she did one hella of job
Quote from: luvrbus on November 13, 2021, 07:27:10 AM
We got way off topic on this thread
Huh. Never known that to happen before...
Jim
Being married can sometimes be like holding onto a mad dragon's tail! Lol
Quote from: luvrbus on November 10, 2021, 01:55:41 PM
I have been all over Virginia the roads do have a lot curves in the Appalachians in the lates 60's our low boys hauling pipeline equipment from the east side to west used a lot of those roads with escorts.They would get hung up sometime ,I didn't find them that bad and I was flat lander lol we did replace a lot of bridges back then when the truck fell into one.To me the cow paths in PA they called highways in the mountains were worse. Tazewell VA sticks in mind for some reason I have yet to figure out why CRS
Clifford funny you mention Tazewell, VA a friend an I were talking the other day an he asked me if I remembered Tazewell?
LORD how could I ever forget Tazewell, VA
I spent a week there one night! Yeah you read it right, I spent a night there once an at breakfast my buddy an I were talking and I told him I'd just realized my DOT physical had expired overnight, but it'd be OK I'd be home tomorrow and get it renewed!
Hmpf! Little did either of know it but the 2 guys at the next table were VA DOT officers adn heard us talking so one followed me out to the truck an the other went an got their car.
As soon as I unlocked my truck they pulled across the front of it and informed me that my expired DOT card had just earned me a full blown inspection and automatic out of service order until I got it renewed!
The truck passed inspection and my paper work was in OK order although they told me straight out they didn't believe a page in my log book!
But they stood their ground I was not goin ANYWHERE until I got that DOT card renewed!
Took 2 days to get an appointment for a DOT exam at local a doctor, but they couldn't get me in for another 3 days! So yeah I spent a week their one night! (I was only there to get my required 8 hours off duty!)
And BTW I flat out asked those two PECKERHEADS how they knew my card was expired and they told me they were at the next table and heard our conversation!
;D BK ;D
"To Protect" (my income stream) "and Serve" (my own worst vices)
In West Virginia they have a saying: "You can't get there from here."
Jim
Then there's the one thay says
"Wherever you go, there you are"