LOL finally gave in and signed up for the TSD Fuel drove 30 miles to a Flying J/Pilot only to find out they don't honor it anymore something about deal with Good Sams found a local station and paid $2.31 a gal it was cheaper than Loves that still honors the TSD card
Yeah - there are a few threads on the various RV sites about this. Apparently GS has an exclusive contract with PFJ which doesn't permit PFJ to offer any other discounts to RV owners.
I find the whole thing on the edge of disgusting. Now that TSD has shown that PFJ is willing to negotiate discounts larger than 8 cents a gallon, one has to wonder what kind of deal GS has with PFJ and if that 8 cents represents the entire discount they are getting.
My thought is that unless GS is getting something out of the discounts there would be no real reason for them to need it to be exclusive. Something smells suspicious to me.
Yep I get about the same price off using a credit card of mine at any fuel station lol I don't like Pilot anyways
Interesting, i can't get their website to load.
How are the cards differentiated between one we get and the rest of their truck fleet?
If we are being turned away, then what happens to their fleet trucks?
It's the giant pool of bought diesel that gets the discount, separating us splits the volume...
Happy coaching!
Buswarrior
Plenty to bitch about with fuel discounts but does TSD offer the best overall discounts and widest acceptance except for PFJ?
I got the same tickler and completed the registration this time. Hesitated last time due to asking for too much personal and financial info. Crossing fingers a data breach or hack doesn't wreak havoc. Connected the fuel card to a checking account used for misc expenses with low balances just in case.
Quote from: buswarrior on March 05, 2020, 06:06:38 AM
...If we are being turned away, then what happens to their fleet trucks?...
Apparently this is affecting the discount for their entire fleet, not just RVs.
I called Good Same today since my membership is up for renewal. Apparently they've gotten plenty of calls about this already, as the phone rep had specific instructions on how to handle calls about the TSD discount situation. I was told that I'd get a return call from a supervisor within 48 hours.
You can be sure that this has been Good Sam, having heard that this was going on, called PFJ and "reminded" them about their deal.
A call back? I smell lies or damage control...
And you can be sure Good Sam is getting a sweet return, as an RV'er is way more likely to spend more money inside than a trucker does.
Every member of Good Sam, whether a TSD user or not, should raise Cain, because a larger discount is possible...
Happy coaching!
Buswarrior
A lot of places are more than 8 cents cheaper than truck stops if there is enough room to fill up..
Mine is a done deal I tossed it and called my bank not to authorize any more payments lol wonder if RJ will still get his $25.00
Quote from: luvrbus on March 05, 2020, 02:16:46 PM
Mine is a done deal I tossed it and called my bank not to authorize any more payments lol wonder if RJ will still get his $25.00
Not sure I understand...
Did you get rid of the TSD card? If so, what went wrong that caused you to pull out?
Quote from: richard5933 on March 05, 2020, 02:27:43 PM
Not sure I understand...
Did you get rid of the TSD card? If so, what went wrong that caused you to pull out?
Yep I don't think it will get better could get worse,out here and most of the country WM,Sams,Circle K and Quick Trip are easy to get into and most of time less in price than LOVES with the TSD card
Quote from: chessie4905 on March 05, 2020, 01:58:37 PM
A lot of places are more than 8 cents cheaper than truck stops if there is enough room to fill up..
I have mostly stopped getting fuel at chain truck stops due to being able to get better deals at other stations. I can almost always save 15 cents per gallon and often more. I used to rarely get fuel in Utah because Wyoming was cheaper, but I found the Costco in Salt Lake City has good prices on diesel. I can barely get out of the station with my big enclosed trailer, but I haven't hit anything yet.
I don't know how things are out where you guys are, but the smaller stations around here are just that, smaller. I much prefer the larger stations like Loves, and with the TSD card it's hard to beat the price.
The local Kwik Trip is $2.65/gal, which is about what I'm seeing in most stations at the retail price. Today's retail price at Love's is $2.78/gal. But with the TSD discount it's only $2.19/gal. Don't think I'm going to find cheaper diesel around here than that. At $2.19/gal it's about the same price as unleaded gasoline.
Quote from: richard5933 on March 05, 2020, 07:04:37 PM
I don't know how things are out where you guys are, but the smaller stations around here are just that, smaller. I much prefer the larger stations like Loves, and with the TSD card it's hard to beat the price.
The local Kwik Trip is $2.65/gal, which is about what I'm seeing in most stations at the retail price. Today's retail price at Love's is $2.78/gal. But with the TSD discount it's only $2.19/gal. Don't think I'm going to find cheaper diesel around here than that. At $2.19/gal it's about the same price as unleaded gasoline.
The only fuel Loves offers here is the Bio Diesel @ that price and I don't do bio diesel,I can buy 100% diesel for $2.31 per gal and my Cummins likes it
I hope this TSD situation resolves.
Our transport system does not pay "pump price"... far from it. I want in on that...
Anything offered previously to RV'ers was total crap, as the TSD deal has shown.
I have better things to do than chase around after the cheapest retail pump price, and then wonder what is being pumped into my tank...
I prefer to observe history. Buying fuel from places that move high volumes and name brand is my preference.
I can put a coach between a bee's knees forwards and backwards, so there's no fuel station i would be afraid to " take it to the pumps". I just prefer to go to the big boys.
I like the limitless hot water showers that goes with 50 gallons of fuel.
I also really don't like that Good Sam/Camping World is screwing with this.
I hope that TSD is spoiling for a fight, and that the owner was involved in making this available to us. It would be really easy in a corporate place to just cancel it all, due to the impact on their core trucking business.
Happy coaching!
Buswarrior
I know it is coming more bio in fuel there nothing I can do but I don't like the bio fuel ,the newer AquaHot's are adjusting to the stuff and so is Kubota on generators,my engine is a 5% bio fuel and I try to keep that way no more than 5% so I pay a little more which I don't mind.AT 65 ft in length towing truck stops are easier but they are always so nasty and diesel fuel with white carpet is a no no
Nitrile gloves and slip over booties.🤔
I've used the TSD card a good bit.
My discount ran about 50-60 cents per gallon going to AZ.
Much better discounts on the return trip this spring.
Our local Loves discount here in Sioux Falls, SD runs about $1.15 per gallon.
I've been paying $1.71 per gallon after the TSD discount.
Nothing to sneeze at when you're buying over 100 gallons!
My new Silverado runs $15-20 to fill up.
I can handle that better than the previous pickup that used gas.
I have only used my fuel card one time, now I have a full tank and no place to go. There is a Loves about 2miles from where I live so that is where I went. This was on March 14 now it would be less. Put in 148.061 gallons and the pump price was $2.649, pump showed $392.21 when payment came out of my account it was $298.24. I have shopped for fuel a lot over the years to save a little, but now I will use the fuel card not even look anymore.
Jack
Does the TDS card offer a way to know the discounted price before pumping? I would hate to find the discount is almost nothing after buying and I could have saved money by going some place besides Loves or other chain truck stop.
This is what is says on their website:
How do I know how much savings I received if it does not show at the pump? Answer: You have multiple ways to know how much per gallon you are paying. You can receive an email each day with the price per gallon you will pay at each location. You can download the EFS Card Control App which will send you a receipt after you fuel with the correct amount. You will also receive a statement the next business day after you fuel that will show your gallons purchased, the discount, our fee and the amount that will be drafted from your account.
My experience from a week ago is the phone app provides the discounted price. However, the site states that pricing for Oregon is not correct and I can attest to that.
The app showed diesel was $1.07 at the Petro in Medford, Oregon. The retail sign showed $2.62. Kinda mumbled to myself, "Too good to be true", then proceeded to follow the multi-screen steps to get logged and pumping. Put in 105 gallons and pump said $276 but as clearly stated the net price does not show at the pump.
Got an email receipt and was kind of annoyed that app price was indeed "too good to be true". Got sort of worked up then mumbled "don't kick the gift horse in the teeth" then remembered last 100 gallons was about $309. Getting 50% off - believer for sure!
Fuel around here is $1.47 to $1.43 no card needed which I think is still to exspensive
TSD has a web page with the daily/weekly negotiated rates for nearly all the stations in their network. You'll need to contact them for a password. It's the best way I've found to get the accurate pricing.
You can also use the EFS app which will show the negotiated price before you pump.
@Belfert First, good to see you on here. I show the TA in Rogers, MN as $1.514 , retail is $1.99 .
In early March we put on 3100 miles, I fueled up many times under $1.50/g and that was back when retail was $2.70 -2.50/g . I budgeted $1200 for fuel, we were under $1000. I did a route search and a run to Dallas, TX will see you finding fuel for $1.21/g . I feel like we're in a time capsule to fuel prices I saw as a kid.
I've used the TSD card for over a year now and since we drive around 15,000 miles a year in our bus, we use it a lot. Always given me a great discount at Loves. Super easy to use once you connect it to your loves app. Awesome way to fill up at a truck stop. And when you're filling up as often as I do (in the fall, I do most of my driving) you get tired of unhooking toad, trying to squeeze into a pump, blocking traffic for 20 minutes while the pump slooooowly fills my bus, pulling out and driving to a spot to rehook toad. Yeah I'll stick to filling up at truck stops thank you.
I am thinking about applying. It looks really good. A question: Is it even cheaper to plan your fuel stop in states with lower gas taxes? Obviously state gas taxes are less in New Mexico compared to California. I carry 250 gallons and go a loooong way before I fuel. I just wonder how much difference it would make, or if it is worth considering such planning.
David
David, you do both.
Use the card and buy fuel in the lower tax jurisdictions.
Double the fun, double the savings.
Happy coaching!
Buswarrior
Gary Hatt used the card at Loves not far from me and got almost a $1.00 a gal off cost him a little over a $1.50 a gal still higher than what I paid $1.40 a gal
TSD sent an update saying they have made arrangements with PETRO that likely will offer the deepest discounts. They are also trying to bring on some smaller fuel suppliers to broaden the choice of stations.
Quote from: windtrader on May 08, 2020, 10:59:38 AM
TSD sent an update saying they have made arrangements with PETRO that likely will offer the deepest discounts. They are also trying to bring on some smaller fuel suppliers to broaden the choice of stations.
If it works at Petrol it should be the same at TA's since Cardwell sold Petrol to TA you would think
Yeah, Up nort here we've got kqik trips offering 10c off, and many of those around here have truck islands.
Here's the updated list from yesterday from TSD.
... TA/Petro has come back to us with some great rates. They will likely be the lowest price out of all of our vendors."We have also added Kwik Trip and Kwik Star to our discount program with 10 cents off per gallon. We are reaching out to others now to see if we can increase to some of the smaller chains. Our current discount network is TA, Petro, Loves, Road Ranger, SAAP Brothers, Ambest, Kwik Trip and Kwik Star."
Anyone not signed up, just do it, really simple and savings are real.
Part2 update
in my earlier post, there was a significant discrepancy between what was posted on the app and what was actually deducted. Inquired about this and learned some very interesting news for those fueling in Oregon. Not knowing on that one fuel stop cost me about 50 bucks, yeah real money. :( Won't happen again.
On top of our price Oregon charges .34-.40 cents per gallon in PUC Tax. If you don't carry a PUC permit you have to pay the additonal tax. This is the only state in the US that does this. That is why you have to walk in and tell them you are non commercial.
Quote from: windtrader on May 08, 2020, 11:25:24 AM
Here's the updated list from yesterday from TSD.
... TA/Petro has come back to us with some great rates. They will likely be the lowest price out of all of our vendors."We have also added Kwik Trip and Kwik Star to our discount program with 10 cents off per gallon. We are reaching out to others now to see if we can increase to some of the smaller chains. Our current discount network is TA, Petro, Loves, Road Ranger, SAAP Brothers, Ambest, Kwik Trip and Kwik Star."
Anyone not signed up, just do it, really simple and savings are real.
Part2 update
in my earlier post, there was a significant discrepancy between what was posted on the app and what was actually deducted. Inquired about this and learned some very interesting news for those fueling in Oregon. Not knowing on that one fuel stop cost me about 50 bucks, yeah real money. :( Won't happen again.
On top of our price Oregon charges .34-.40 cents per gallon in PUC Tax. If you don't carry a PUC permit you have to pay the additonal tax. This is the only state in the US that does this. That is why you have to walk in and tell them you are non commercial.
LOL never did me any good to walk in and tell them they still hit me with road tax a few years ago it was $.25 a gal above the posted price for RV's and automobiles
Quote from: luvrbus on March 04, 2020, 06:28:32 PM
LOL finally gave in and signed up for the TSD Fuel drove 30 miles to a Flying J/Pilot only to find out they don't honor it anymore something about deal with Good Sams found a local station and paid $2.31 a gal it was cheaper than Loves that still honors the TSD card
Cliff, I just got a notice in their app, that they are now back on board with Flying J / Pilot and claim their discounts are better than ever. Not sure what happened, but they seemed to have kissed and made up now. Try again. I have been using this card for almost a year now and have saved a lot of money if you can navigate thru their app on your phone otherwise it can be frustrating. There are several steps to go thru and if you don't get fuel daily, they are easy to forget.
Quote from: Gary Hatt - Publisher BCM on May 11, 2020, 08:15:10 AM
Cliff, I just got a notice in their app, that they are now back on board with Flying J / Pilot and claim their discounts are better than ever. Not sure what happened, but they seemed to have kissed and made up now. Try again. I have been using this card for almost a year now and have saved a lot of money if you can navigate thru their app on your phone otherwise it can be frustrating. There are several steps to go thru and if you don't get fuel daily, they are easy to forget.
In the app you say? I haven't received that notice and when I do a price search I don't see any pilot/flying J locations coming up. Am I missing something here?
Interesting pattern that TSD is growing partner list, after having issues recently. I'm speculating with all the terrible downturn in the oil industry, TSD having a much easier time being another potential source for gas companies (distributors, retail). These days, surely making a nickel a gallon is better than zero.
Quote from: windtrader on May 11, 2020, 07:20:58 PM
Interesting pattern that TSD is growing partner list, after having issues recently. I'm speculating with all the terrible downturn in the oil industry, TSD having a much easier time being another potential source for gas companies (distributors, retail). These days, surely making a nickel a gallon is better than zero.
They are making more than a nickel,the wholesale price of diesel is going up it has increased from $.74 to $.84 a gallon since a week ago.Truck stops all have a $.18 to $.25 a gal pumping fee they don't care what the price of fuel is as long as they get the pumping fee
Quote from: luvrbus on May 11, 2020, 08:19:41 PM
They are making more than a nickel,the wholesale price of diesel is going up it has increased from $.74 to $.84 a gallon since a week ago.Truck stops all have a $.18 to $.25 a gal pumping fee they don't care what the price of fuel is as long as they get the pumping fee
Hi Cliff, learn something everyday, thanks for explaining how retailers make revenue. Still seems they'd get more money when pumping more. Selling for less than sign prices and existing negotiated discounts works as long as they net more than what they cannibalize from existing business.
We are planning a trip and after Gary Hatt comments I dug the TSD card out and deposited some money back into the account I set up for it ,my problem was I was not going to deal with only Loves .I don't care much for truck stops anyways they are always nasty, now where I travel if TSD could bring Quick Trip into the network I would like that very much
Clifford - Your lucky day. quoted from email from TSD. Better thank zero but better than none. Hardly worth taking the extra effort for a dime.
Good evening TSD Fuel card holders. We have some great news. TA/Petro has come back to us with some great rates. They will likely be the lowest price out of all of our vendors.[/size]We have also added Kwik Trip and Kwik Star to our discount program with 10 cents off per gallon. We are reaching out to others now to see if we can increase to some of the smaller chains. Our current discount network is TA, Petro, Loves, Road Ranger, SAAP Brothers, Ambest, Kwik Trip and Kwik Star.On another note, it has come to our attention that some of our fuel card holders have contacted our fuel vendors directly and caused some frustraion for our vendors. Your agreement is directly with TSD not the vendors. Please contact us at 800-275-5089 if you have any questions or concerns. DO NOT contact the vendors. If we we find out that a card member has contacted a vendor directly, we will cancel their card.Thank you for being a customer and your continued support.Joy J Hanson CFO TSD Logsitics Inc.
Quote from: windtrader on May 11, 2020, 09:30:34 PM
Clifford - Your lucky day. quoted from email from TSD. Better thank zero but better than none. Hardly worth taking the extra effort for a dime.
Good evening TSD Fuel card holders. We have some great news. TA/Petro has come back to us with some great rates. They will likely be the lowest price out of all of our vendors.[/size]We have also added Kwik Trip and Kwik Star to our discount program with 10 cents off per gallon. We are reaching out to others now to see if we can increase to some of the smaller chains. Our current discount network is TA, Petro, Loves, Road Ranger, SAAP Brothers, Ambest, Kwik Trip and Kwik Star.On another note, it has come to our attention that some of our fuel card holders have contacted our fuel vendors directly and caused some frustraion for our vendors. Your agreement is directly with TSD not the vendors. Please contact us at 800-275-5089 if you have any questions or concerns. DO NOT contact the vendors. If we we find out that a card member has contacted a vendor directly, we will cancel their card.Thank you for being a customer and your continued support.Joy J Hanson CFO TSD Logsitics Inc.
Wrong Quick/Trip Don the Q/T I like is out of Tulsa OK lol I do better than 10 cents on my own at Q/T
Checked the app this morning and the deep discounts at loves is gone. Most stations around here are showing .16 discount now which is still making it a much higher cost per gallon than most other stations. Hope it's only temporary. That makes the card almost useless.
Quote from: thomasinnv on May 13, 2020, 09:50:10 AM
Checked the app this morning and the deep discounts at loves is gone. Most stations around here are showing .16 discount now which is still making it a much higher cost per gallon than most other stations. Hope it's only temporary. That makes the card almost useless.
That sounds about right just the way my luck runs, guess I will just stick to mom and pops stations along with Sam's and Costco,fuel at Sam's here it is a $1.40 if I use my Sam's Club credit card it is $1.37 if I buy a gift card and use it the fuel cost $1.35 lol suppliers just like to screw with your mind same truck delivers the fuel to Walmart you pass going to Sam's and it is $1.85 per gal go figure
Quote from: luvrbus on May 13, 2020, 10:42:54 AM
That sounds about right just the way my luck runs, guess I will just stick to mom and pops stations along with Sam's and Costco,fuel at Sam's here it is a $1.40 if I use my Sam's Club credit card it is $1.37 if I buy a gift card and use it the fuel cost $1.35 lol suppliers just like to screw with your mind same truck delivers the fuel to Walmart you pass going to Sam's and it is $1.85 per gal go figure
I need to move to Arizona I guess. We can't even buy gasoline for the prices you are paying for diesel! Diesel is running around $2.49 here in Minnesota.
We just came from Lake Havasu diesel price's at Loves and Pilot were @ $2.79 a gal the TSD card would need to get a discount of a $1.39 a gal to match Sam's posted price has anyone ever gotten a discount of that much ?
I have been buying fuel at Loves for the entire time TSD has allowed RV cards.
I enjoyed the discounts we were getting.
It appears that is all gone now. I agree with Clifford, I can do better at other stations.
I'm not sure what happened but the deep discount are apparently gone.
I was told by the fuel lady at TSD that the loves discount went in the crapper becuase of the current oil situation and that once things start to get back to normal they do expect to see the discounts at Loves come back in line with what they used to be. For now however, TA and Petro are offering pretty good discounts.
I look for the discounts to settle out around $,20 per gal for RV''s it pisses you off living in AZ where you get a automatic 8 cents a gal off for RV's at the rv pumps and the TSD card is no good at the RV pumps FWIW diesel was $1.52 here today no card needed plus no surge charge for credit card use
As the price per gallon drops, it's only natural that the discount per gallon will also drop. My guess is that the percentage is still close.
Quote from: richard5933 on May 30, 2020, 04:41:58 PM
As the price per gallon drops, it's only natural that the discount per gallon will also drop. My guess is that the percentage is still close.
Not really true the big guys like Loves,Pilot/FJ and TA bought the diesel in futures market and now they are stuck with some high priced fuel they trying to get rid of, where the smaller operations don't have the capital to buy in the future so they buy on the open market at todays rack price, fuel prices have bitten the big guys in the @$# because of greed.The frignn Loves and Pilot close to me are at $2.80 a gal drive 3 miles and pay $1.95 tops for diesel credit or cash
Current covid inspired fuel chaos is a passing storm, perhaps a lingering one, but no reason to throw the baby out with the bathwater.
Find cheap fuel and burn it.
Sometimes that will be with the TSD card, sometimes it won't be.
A lovely tool in the kit.
Happy coaching!
Buswarrior
When we look back in time the only RV friendly outlet we had was Flying J for many years free sewer dum,free water discounts on fuel and always a free cup of coffee,That all changed when Mr.Call died in a plane crash and the kids got greedy and bought fuel at a outrageous price for the future and bottom dropped out on the price of oil.Then our government allowed the greedy bunch at Pilot to take it over by just closing a few of their no preforming fuel stops now we are at their mercy lol I remember the day Pilot took control the free sewer dump went to 5 bucks overnight
Years back Pilot was really reasonably priced. Now there's another on the opposite side of the road with much higher price & unfortunately the truckers are lined up in & out.
Another wonderful thing that happened to Flying J was the elimination of all their buffets and the switch to Denny's (at least in the East). You could count on the buffets for an economical meal that was satisfying, the Denny's end up costing more for less. There was even a Flying J in Ohio that would serve char-grilled Mahi Mahi on the buffet.