What is your all thoughts on buying a MCI that has been in this much water?
most bus , rv's have a front electrical panel in front of the driver side tire and that will be toast . engine should be ok if it did not get much higher ( the water ) but who knows . inside might be ok ? for parts
all depends how much $$$$$ it goes for
dave
Impossible to tell what type of toxic or bio-hazard was in the water. What are the chances of the water having entered the HVAC passages as well as all the hidden nooks & crannies. How would you ever get the inner aspects of the passageways, conduits, etc. dry and clean. Wiring will certainly have huge problems, even in areas above the water line just from the moisture and humidity.
Seems like something I'd avoid, but there are people who do this kind of rehab and do it successfully.
If the water came up slowly,the batteries was dead before the water reach the electrical system. So it would not afraid me to by someting like that. Depending of the price. I would also inspect if there is no crocodile inside.....
Looks like it was parked so probably no damage to engine. If you got it cheap enough you could do what many of us wished/should have do ne and that is tear out ALL the electrical and redo ir so instead of MILES of wiring there are only a few hundred feet. Lots of work but then thats what busnutting(is that a word) is all about.Wiring is "relatively) cheap.
That water level might just be lucky, seems to be below the floor...
And, that is a multi-plex bus... if you don't know what "multi-plex" means... this ain't the bus for you!!!
For the right price, there's a good gamble in there for the person who can do the electrical troubleshooting and testing.
The rest is pressure washer and soap, lots and lots of both...
happy coaching!
buswarrior
Thanks for the input. They are saying "All carpets, couches, and mattresses freshly shampooed and steam cleaned. Completely gone over, all chassis items serviced, all maintenance items addressed. Age can be seen in several areas but everything works as it should!"
They say lower compartment flooded and I found the flood picture from Google. I love my MCI and I am wanting a larger and newer one, they are a challenge to find that is in my budget and this one is a two slide unit but the last thing I need is an ever larger issue then what a bus is already on its own.
All depends where the real high water mark ended up...
That picture, the water wasn't high enough for all that cleaning to be required...
Danger, Will Robinson, Danger!
happy coaching!
buswarrior
>>Completely gone over, all chassis items serviced, all maintenance items addressed. Age can be seen in several areas but everything works as it should!<,
If that is there statement one would assume it runs and if it does than there is far less guessing and much easier to determine if it the kind of project you want to take on. Good luck!
Would any insurance company insure it? Would the VIN carry flood damage warning? lvmci...
Over the years I've done several flood cars. The electrical damage was far less of a problem than the water in the transmission. Seems the friction plates in the tranny are glued up with water based glue. Newer stuff is a whole new game. If the bus is multiplexed it will be a BITCH to figure out--even with a wiring diagram. For example, my little bus is multiplexed. It took me three days to find a work around just to add driving lights to the high beam lighting system. What was ground on low beam was hot on high beam. Frustrating but sort of fun. Jack
That is a entertainer bus with 6 bunks and has a rebuilt (salvage) title I made a offer, if it was a RV I probably would have bought it but I wasn't going to pay the $100,000 for it he was asking.The generators where my biggest concern they will need to be pulled and gone through.? what is he asking now just a rough ball park figure.Fwiw that is a nice bus 500 hp series 60, Allison 4060 with 250,000 miles if you can get a buy I say go for it and spend a little money checking every thing again
I went through this with a car several years ago. He's right about transmission. The clutch plate lining was separated from the steel it was attached to. Good I checked it. Had small electrical related failures over the years. Used dehumidifier for a month to dry it out. It was in water from new female driver trying to turn car around using both ramp.
After that experience, I would never fool with a flood vehicle, except for parts.
Quote from: chessie4905 on October 01, 2018, 03:42:38 AM... After that experience, I would never fool with a flood vehicle, except for parts.
Yep, what I worked at Land Rover, we'd occasionally have to deal with demo Land Rovers that over-zealous demonstrators had driven into too-deep water. After that experience, I would never fool with a flood vehicle, except for parts.
Buswarrior.....dont worry Smith is there.
Quote from: luvrbus on September 30, 2018, 07:41:34 PM
That is a entertainer bus with 6 bunks and has a rebuilt (salvage) title I made a offer, if it was a RV I probably would have bought it but I wasn't going to pay the $100,000 for it he was asking.The generators where my biggest concern they will need to be pulled and gone through.? what is he asking now just a rough ball park figure.Fwiw that is a nice bus 500 hp series 60, Allison 4060 with 250,000 miles if you can get a buy I say go for it and spend a little money checking every thing again
I had found where he bought it at the salvage auction and he didnt pay much for it. I was hoping to get a good deal on. I saw a few on busforsale.com asking $85k so I was figuring it was worth around $40K$50k.
I was told recently that once an rv, trailer, camper, tent trailer, 5th wheel etc... was totaled it can never be insured beyond liability. I just went through that scenario with my MC5A. It was totaled from hail damage.
As a result I will be selling it for 5K. Shame, I had over $50K in it
Do tell us about the Colorado hail storm. What was the estimated size of the hail stones? Did they break solar panels?
Curious bus owners want to know.
Quote from: Lifes2short4nofun on October 01, 2018, 04:22:54 PM... I saw a few on busforsale.com asking $85k
Ahem ... how do we say without getting into legal hot water ... There are *some* websites that are not legitimate. They cruise them InnerWebs and take photos without the owner's permission or knowledge and post them "For Sale" from their website. They're just hoping that someone will click on their website and attempt to buy the bus that they don't have. If that happens, they'll contact the owner and ask if he/she'll sell at a ridiculously high price -- if the owner goes for it, they'll offer the bus at a big markup for them; if not, they'll try to steer the unwary buyer toward other buses (which they may or may not have a legal right to offer for sell). The inflated prices on the website is often a "If they'll contact me for that POS offered at $69K, they're a real sucker" price -- that lets them know that the possible buyer doesn't know much and has done any homework.
Now, I'm not saying that busforsale.com is one of these scam sites but before I put any credence or spent any money based upon things on their website, I'd investigate all the bus sales websites that I could to try to sort out the good from the bad. A good first step is to check out their posted address on Google Earth -- if it's a 7-11 in the middle of a couple of trailer parks, it's probably not a legit site.
Buyer (or shopper) beware!
I wasn't real impressed with that site, it seemed like I never could get a reply from any of their sellers.
Jim
Quote from: Jim Blackwood on October 03, 2018, 07:55:00 AMI wasn't real impressed with that site, it seemed like I never could get a reply from any of their sellers. Jim
I looked up the physical address for one of those sites (not saying which one). The building shown on Google Earth was an ordinary suburban business building that was shown as being the location for a Social Security branch office at one door, a Physical Therapy unit at another, a dentist's office at another, and "Transportation Associates, LLC" at another. There appeared to be a 14-seater shuttle bus like you might see at a large airport hotel parked on the edge of the parking lot near "Transportation Assocates". I'm pretty sure that that location was not a place that had buses in stock to sell.
That company's website instructed buyers to get in touch with the website's company - not individual sellers. I have seen one that lists phone numbers for the sellers but those phone numbers all have the same area code but the buses are shown as being all across the country. Something fishy there.
I saw a Flxible for sale last year on a similar site. The site was what I'd call a listing 'accumulator'. They didn't have any actual stock or own any of the buses, they just listed them and handled the negotiations, sale, etc. I looked at the bus and talked to the owner, but when I was told that the negotiations were going to go through a third party I ran away.
Apparently there are a lot of this type of listing site out there for both buses and RVs. In my opinion, nothing good can come from them.
I have two friends that found their Scencruisers for sale on that website without their knowledge or consent. They had no idea until I brought it to their attention. Needless to say, some strongly worded phone calls by owners corrected that situation. shenanigans continue.
Quote from: pd4501-771 on October 03, 2018, 01:19:24 PMI have two friends that found their Scencruisers for sale on that website without their knowledge or consent. ...
A similar thing with some double-decker buses from England ...
Quote from: Brassman on October 01, 2018, 10:46:53 PM
Do tell us about the Colorado hail storm. What was the estimated size of the hail stones? Did they break solar panels?
Curious bus owners want to know.
Hail was quarter size. The Reason it was totaled was... If a "panel" had 1 dent in it then the panel had to be removed and repaired and/or replaced. Or the interior walls had to be removed to effect repairs. There wasn't anywhere near the damage to the bus as there was to our cars. A testament to the quality of older/thicker metal. Solar panels were a thin flexible type which sustained dents but they still work
Thanks skihor for the report, and sorry for your loss. I wonder how glass topped solar panels would of held up?
"I was told recently that once an rv, trailer, camper, tent trailer, 5th wheel etc... was totaled it can never be insured beyond liability. I just went through that scenario with my MC5A. It was totaled from hail damage.
As a result I will be selling it for 5K. Shame, I had over $50K in it"
Im intersted in your reason for selling it. Is it not repairable. i.e. new skin on the roof.
Regards
Fred
Quote from: Fred Mc on October 05, 2018, 08:55:45 AM
"I was told recently that once an rv, trailer, camper, tent trailer, 5th wheel etc... was totaled it can never be insured beyond liability. I just went through that scenario with my MC5A. It was totaled from hail damage.
As a result I will be selling it for 5K. Shame, I had over $50K in it"
Im intersted in your reason for selling it. Is it not repairable. i.e. new skin on the roof.
You really have to look close for the hail damage, but, no matter how small a hail dent is, it's still damage, according to Insurance.
Anyway after 14 years living full time in our bus, we recently bought a '98 40' Safari Serengeti coach with a 16' slide. Nice as far as motorhomes go. Amazingly good condition inside and out. We will miss the bus, but we are really loving the space of the Safari. Huge shower, taller ceiling, walk around queen, leveling jacks, central air, hydronic heat, dual pane windows, dual door Norcold Refer, ice maker, mostly tile floors, Cat engine, 6 speed Allison. Servicable nearly everywhere. All for $31K
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sounds like a nice r/v
is it like this one ?
https://www.rvtrader.com/listing/1999-Safari-Serengeti-4006-5003308451
dave
Quote from: sledhead on October 07, 2018, 11:02:31 AM
sounds like a nice r/v
is it like this one ?
https://www.rvtrader.com/listing/1999-Safari-Serengeti-4006-5003308451
dave
very similar. Some subtle differences but not much different. Supposedly one of the better coaches back in '98
Bought a boat last year from a 3rd party (broker). Sale went good, emailed an offer and they wanted to move it. Went to look and hauled it home. Saved looking and neg at 6 hrs away.
I am not sure about the salavage trailer/rv statement. I bought recently a 23 foot salvage rock wood Roo by forest river. I've repaired it and Michigan Secretary of State specially told
Me we can have it inspected by a state trooper and recertify it non salvage.
Quote from: skihor on October 07, 2018, 07:21:05 PM
very similar. Some subtle differences but not much different. Supposedly one of the better coaches back in '98
I have a Safari Trek up to 2000 they were a great RV that is when Mat sold to Monaco,they have a large following,ours is solid Teakwood interior and all metal siding not the fiberglass
Quote from: Scott & Heather on October 08, 2018, 05:47:53 AM
I am not sure about the salavage trailer/rv statement. I bought recently a 23 foot salvage rock wood Roo by forest river. I've repaired it and Michigan Secretary of State specially told
Me we can have it inspected by a state trooper and recertify it non salvage.
this one may be a total write off :)
So yours is staples and teak?
Quote from: chessie4905 on October 08, 2018, 03:41:32 PM
So yours is staples and teak?
No staples all riveted on the body and 1st class interior work no staples
Ha ha, I know you wouldn't have it unless it was quality made.