I came across this bluebird bus for sale on CL, A 2007 express 4000 with a Cat C13 and low miles. My questions are I assume it would be 40' and 102 wide? Do they have a frame or built like a MCI? and how about putting slides in one. If I could come up with the $ I think it could make a excellent conversion project. Thanks Jason
Heres a lot more pics off e bay where it is also.
http://www.ebay.com/itm/2007-Blue-Bird-Express-4000-46-pass-Charter-Bus-CAT-C13-65K-mi-No-Reserve-/192047781943 (http://www.ebay.com/itm/2007-Blue-Bird-Express-4000-46-pass-Charter-Bus-CAT-C13-65K-mi-No-Reserve-/192047781943)
https://drive.google.com/drive/folders/0BxsSznpQ8wKuaHZSbk95X0tSM1E (https://drive.google.com/drive/folders/0BxsSznpQ8wKuaHZSbk95X0tSM1E)
Dave
Same bus as the Wanderlodge LXI they have a frame and handle 4 slides the 4000 is 40ft the 4500 is a 45 ft ,I see those still running for Houston Metro and San Diego good buses I have a friend that has a 45 ft LXI with the C-13
That's it Dave, wonder what kind of headroom they have? would you have to raise the roof? Is the C13 a good engine? It's not far from me about a hour and a half drive. Might be worth a look, he was wanting 20g but I see he dropped down to 17500 now.
Jason
It has 80 inches of head room according to the specs
There is two things that are very tough to beat, cubic inch and low miles.
Floyd
Thanks for the replies guys, I showed it to the wife and that didn't go over real well, especially after just re powering the 9 and all the money in it. but I'll keep trying to win her over with the slide out ideas lol
The eBay blurb says "There is an open toilet at the rear". That sounds like my bus - I have a toilet in place and workable, but there's no walls around it so far, just sitting there in all its porcelain solitary splendor for the world to admire.
Morefire on the Skoolie forum bought an incomplete BB Express, decided its original C13 wasn't enough power and put in a 675HP ISX instead! His build is well worth reading - an incredible job: http://www.skoolie.net/forums/f32/2009-bluebird-coach-conversion-build-7184.html (http://www.skoolie.net/forums/f32/2009-bluebird-coach-conversion-build-7184.html)
John
Easy to take out those seats and you'll be getting three air ride units! Plus the drivers seat is a recaro!!! And a nice generator! That coach would be a great chassis! I'd be all over it...except I already have $55,000 in mine. Lol.
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I'm like you Scott, I just put around $10,000 in my bus with the engine swap and that's not counting what I had in the turbo 8V71 a few years ago :'( I would never even get close to half what I got into it out of it. But it sure would be nice to have that new of a chassis and low millage to start with, then it should last me my lifetime of traveling. If I can talk the wife into it we may go look at it ;D Jason
The 2007-2008 C-13 did have a DPF regeneration problem but that one should have all the updates.I removed a series 50 and install a C-13 from a Blue Bird a friend bought from a uncompleted BB it hasn't been long ago I sold the frame for scrap
Can't DPF and all emissions be deleted? There are shops up here advertising just that. This is one of many on Kijiji.ca.
http://www.kijiji.ca/v-heavy-equipment-parts-accessories/calgary/caterpillar-dpf-cgi-delete-kit/1177318824 (http://www.kijiji.ca/v-heavy-equipment-parts-accessories/calgary/caterpillar-dpf-cgi-delete-kit/1177318824)
If your motorhome doesn't have to be inspected, I would sure look into it.
JC
that sure looks like a great deal !
dave
Quote from: lostagain on December 10, 2016, 08:00:33 AM
Can't DPF and all emissions be deleted? There are shops up here advertising just that. This is one of many on Kijiji.ca.
http://www.kijiji.ca/v-heavy-equipment-parts-accessories/calgary/caterpillar-dpf-cgi-delete-kit/1177318824 (http://www.kijiji.ca/v-heavy-equipment-parts-accessories/calgary/caterpillar-dpf-cgi-delete-kit/1177318824)
If your motorhome doesn't have to be inspected, I would sure look into it.
JC
It can and does get done all the time.
Not sure I'd publicly post on the internet I did it.
After all the internet police are always looking for a reason to get riled up and who knows what that could bring upon the person that paid to have it done, the person that did it, or the person that got caught running it like that after words.
Best to quietly check the laws/rules in your area and play it that way.
If I was to have it done. Or if I were the one actually doing it for someone else it would definitely be a cash no receipt and if you get caught I don't know you type of deal!
;D BK ;D
Of course they advertise it for "off road", and "marine" applications. In BC and Alberta, and likely most other provinces and many states, a motorhome doesn't have to have inspections, so I would delete emissions on a modern 4 stroke. What I don't get is I see quite a few used class 8 trucks for sale that are "deleted". In commercial service, they have to pass Commercial Vehicle Inspection every 6 month to every year. So maybe they pass as long as there is no trouble code light on the dash?
JC
PS: A horse hauler was here a couple weeks ago with a nice 10 year old Peterbilt. He said though, that he is going to have to buy a new truck soon to be able to continue doing business in California.
JC
PS: A horse hauler was here a couple weeks ago with a nice 10 year old Peterbilt. He said though, that he is going to have to buy a new truck soon to be able to continue doing business in California.
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Yep CA wants all trucks and buses to be the 2010 engines or newer,I will say the diesel engines from 2010 do burn clean though
Talked to the guy today and he bought 4 of them at auction and has this one and one that he has to pick up in NJ yet, he said the other bus has around 80,000 mile on it. I may go look at it tomorrow if the weather isn't to bad. I'm just not sure I want to get into another conversion project, I always said the next one I buy would have the slides in it and only need remodeling ;D The old bus has sentimental value with my dad who isn't with us anymore and I don't know if I could part with it, it was kinda our project with a lot of time spent together up until the end. I really like how the tag wheels are the same as the drive wheels and already has a diesel generator installed. Jason
Quote from: luvrbus on December 10, 2016, 12:03:51 PM
JC
Yep CA wants all trucks and buses to be the 2010 engines or newer,I will say the diesel engines from 2010 do burn clean though
Does that mean all trucks registered in CA must follow those rules or all trucks driving thru CA must meet those rules? If so, perhaps you can start up
Clifford's Truck Registration Company Inc. in AZ and for $500 bucks each per year you can let them register them using your address Cliff to help them out.
Commercial Trucks and Buses for hire only and it has been said so many times. They are already finding that DEF is creating problems for people with allergies and a lot more kids with Lung problems who live close to truck routes and attribute it to DEF. They are already re-thinking that and will probably drop a lot of the other stuff by 2018 and 2020. Buses for personal use are still exempt.
Dave
Isn't Bluebird out of the coach bus market? Can you even get parts for the coach buses?
Didn't someone buy a bunch of Bluebird coach bus partial chassis and parts and put together a complete bus from them?
2007 through 2010 engines with DPF only will be good through 2023 in California. Then, all commercial trucks and buses have to have a minimum of a 2010 engine with DEF and DPF. Still, RV's are exempt from California smog laws that are older than 2007. Good Luck, TomC
And we'd better be wary of these exemptions.
The government was afraid of our parents and grand parents.
They aren't afraid of us.
At some point, some civil servant will find a trigger to have them removed.
and won't that be an exciting day on the Boards?
happy coaching!
buswarrior
And that will happen BW for some reason the CA bs trickles down to other states
A "carelessly written" fresh regulation will "accidentally" leave out the exemptions.
Wording will be all encompassing and absolute.
Buried in an omnibus bill.
And since we all stopped paying memberships to the RV lobby group that used to pay attention, they don't have a government affairs person anymore, and with dwindled membership, their lobbying weight is down several classes...
And nobody will listen.
And if there happens to arise a heavy champion, see the first line, apologies issued, and they'll go wait for the next opportunity.
vigilance costs. Where's those old renewal papers...
happy coaching!
buswarrior
Quote from: luvrbus on December 11, 2016, 06:53:33 AM
And that will happen BW for some reason the CA bs trickles down to other states
WA-Wa-WA
Ya know someone in the other states agrees, because if they don't vote it out then they must like it too eh! LOL :-*