Samantha's 4106 I'm guessing broke or cracked a liner outside windslow headed to Phoenix. This is the motor that got really hot a couple weeks ago. She needs to get it to hold together a little bit longer. Anyone in the area that can throw a kit in it on the cheap? I might have the parts depending on what size the liner it needs. She needs about another thousand miles out of it. Worse case I'll fly down and throw one in over the weekend. We did one like that last year and it got back home over 1000 miles on the used parts. She just bought a 2002 prevost but won't get it for a few more weeks so any money thrown into this a waste so she's looking for low price temporary fix. The engine is junk but just needs another band aide.
symptoms.. Running rough, smoking like a fog machine and spewing oil from the air box drain.
Call Kevin 602-810-1845 he is west of Phoenix @ Goodyear he may help her lol I told you it was cooked it's now well done ???.Better get you a ticket the people I know around Phoenix are not much into patching.Try Baker in Higly Az 480-988-1188 if he is slow he may do it
Well if my son and I fly out for the weekend we could do it. Bout $800 in labor most parts I will give her she'll just need some gasket sets and about a grand for our air fair. So she's looking around 2k. Good deal if it holds together but could be a waste of money... It's a gamble
I would plan on head it probably dropped a valve
I've got a guy that's going to get a look inside the inspection covers for me to hopefully see what all happened. Hopefully it's just a liner. That broke. I dont think a head will fit in my suitcase. You got a used head if needed sitting around??
No coolant in the oil is a good sign. But it looks and sounds bad, well actually just slightly worse that it was sounding before. But the oil consumption is about a gallon per mile. They got to a casino and are getting a tow the 160 miles to Phoenix.
Here is a video they sent me.
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Where's it being towed to?
Phoenix somewhere I assume the theater or near the theater where their next show is.
She supposed to be at the Playhouse on the park Feb 25 to Mar 5th,you won't work on there Scott it's on Central Ave off I 10 next to the Phoenix Museum of Art, it would be nice you would only be 5 miles to WW Williams
This is one of those bail out before the ship sinks situations I think. By the time she patches, tows it, patches tows it, etc plus possibly missing shows and income, she might just buy a cheap Rv for $3000 and drive it for a few weeks, then when she gets the Prevost she can sell the RV and probably get most of her money back...
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I looked at her show schedule her next show is March 24 in San Diego 300 miles from Phoenix,why not just have her new bus delivered to Phoenix she has month then she could save money by giving the 4106 to someone and let them worry with it
I have mentioned all of those ideas to her. Believe me last thing I want to do is try to band aid fix this with no idea of what I might find or what will happen next fifty miles down the road. She said she wouldn't be able to rent an rv with 15 cats in it. Well if it were me I'm not sure I'd mention the cats, so give her props for being honest about that. It's got some hard driving ahead of it too as the landscape isn't exactly flat on that trip. The new bus is getting the buildout but I would tell her to skip the build out changes and deal with that in the off season or later. Any money now is just throwing it away. Even though I'm cheap I can't make any promise that thing had not used up all of its 9 lives already. Having drivers that don't know 2 strokes drive that like it's a sports car bus and expecting that some kind of dash light will alert them if a problem. She is not mechanical and she thought a new 24k engine would have solved her problems and didn't understand that they killed the last engine and this engine has been killed by the same type of driving and not understanding the complexitys or running a 2 stroke within its operating range. This was a new engine from MCI which I don't understand why she got a lefty from them but she did. However I certainly couldn't fault them for the build because it was just run too hard outside of its parameters. There are only a few things you can do to 8v71 to kill them and this one has all of them done it it. Lugging, overheating, low fluids... Dusting is about the only one not on its check list.
Any updates?
I may be able to help.
I have heads if who ever does the work needs 1 or 2
A friend is going to pull the inspection covers this weekend for me. He's not a mechanic but he's seen some of my videos on what to took for and hopefully will get some video and images from inside the covers for me to help see what's happened and what course of action we will be taking.
Clifford are they just good take off heads or remanufactured? Price wise I think good take off would be perfect for this bus. Especially for the budget. What kind of price are we looking at if she needs one or two?
I did discuss all the other options as far as not working on the bus but she really wants to use it if at all possible. I can fly out next weekend. My son may join me. If he can't I will need one other person to help. I've done it my self but it's much easier with a second set of hands. I hate the unknowns and tight time frame I'd be on but it is what it is. I'm confident in my abilities and if I have all the parts it should be ok. But if there is some major internal damage other than just liner and kit it's not going to happen on a two day trip. Swapping in used parts would never be my ideal solution but new parts into that motor is an even bigger waste of money. I have new old stock liners that I think are #2 #4. I also have some decent used ones with good cross hatching but it don't know the size. I also have a few decent Take out Pistons on rods that should get new rings. Probably stuff that would last a lifetime in most engines. She wants to be able to sell the bus in running condition for what ever that's worth.
She wants to see what the inspection covers reveal before making any decisions.
Where is it parked now?
Scott, I have both. Gary is coming by for a fan clutch and said he would haul a head to you if you need 1.I noticed she bought the engine from MCI most of those are .010 over
I assume it's parked at or behind the venue at "the playhouse in the park". I messaged her for the exact location I'll let you know when I hear back. If you want to check it out it sure would be a help.
From the video you sent, They're gonna love having it parked there.
She should have plenty of "kitty litter" though!
Lol I bet they make her move it to have it worked on, the Phoenix enforcers will be all over you in a short time
That's what I was thinking also.
I'm not that far away, They could "commute" to the shows.
Phoenix AZ. Playhouse on the park In the theatre parking lot
1850 N Central Ave, Phoenix, AZ 85004
Last year We did replace a kit in a gm in less than 8 hours in a parking lot of the Detroit dealer before and then drove it over a thousand miles home. Didn't ask permission on that one just did it. He did pay them 2k to replace a blower drive gear before the realized there was another issue. We fixed it with all used parts or stuff that was on Paul's shelf. And we wasted some time on stupid stuff. Like the engine had no head studs we needed to make some. And we had to go buy a smaller torque wrench. Now I know to bring some guide studs just in case. Of course that's the easy front ones...the Back side is a bit harder. From my limited experience it's been those front ones more then the rear so if my luck holds out it will be one of the easy ones.
Are they really that strict? Are they off on weekends?
No they are never off ,you could play dumb and call it a minor emergency repair then they have 3/4 ton rule I doubt the code guy would buy that though.All it take is some person drive by in their MB and call.I was remodeling a house we owned in Phoenix and was living in the motor home and they came by and told me I could park the RV but could not live in it on my own property after a short pissed off conversation with the code enforcer that one cost me ??? you need to check photos of the place they will get you there,the 4th Ave jail is in walking distance fwiw
That Playhouse looks like a good place to scatter parks.
Are you saying they would put you in jail for working on a vehicle for a half of a day in a private parking lot?
I said the bus was in Phoenix Arizona... That's in the United States of America, you must be talking about a different place :)
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Are you saying they would put you in jail for working on a vehicle for a half of a day in a private parking lot?
It might be frowned on!
Give me a call, I may have an option for her.
I said the bus was in Phoenix Arizona... That's in the United States of America, you must be talking about a different place :)
Actually, It's far north Mexico, But that's a different thread altogether.
I don't know if they would put you jail or not they might who knows,all that area there is government property all the Phoenix Government and County offices are in that area, you may get away with or you may not
I'll look into getting it somewhere else to work on it, but if that's really how that area is then it's a sad country we have become.
LOL Phoenix is like a lamb compared to Scottsdale,it's much the same in any major city Phoenix is not alone
The mention of 17 cats cajoled me into Googling the address leading to the Acro-Cats, that is hilarious stuff. Talking to the owner would as I imagine lead to some off-the-wall conversation. I'd totally burn an afternoon to see the Rock Cats. LOL
Sorry to derail the topic..
She has a passion for cats. Not my thing but she's dediCATed :)
Here's some pics of her bus she posted on her fan page. Plus some pictures of her nice new Prevost!
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I've seen the show and it's pretty great. I'm not a cat person, but thought the show was very entertaining.
She good at raising money !!! I not a cat person either but people dump cats and I made the mistake of feeding a couple. I guess they told the whole cat neighbor hood I was giving out free meals. I have cats everywhere and animal control says since I feed the stray cats they are mine and want 25 bucks each to pick them up. No kill shelter are a joke they want money then just dump the cats elsewhere using the term of relocation which is just dumping the cats .I know what I would do if it wasn't for my granddaughters
It's super nice to you to help her out of her bus jams Scott. Hope she never forgets how much you've done to help her out when she needed it most. I'd lend a hand if I was still in Phoenix :(
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Any update on what is happening I dug a head out for her if needed hell I am even throwing in a few cats @ no charge
The guy that's going to pull the inspection covers flys in today. I assume he won't get to do it until tomorrow.
Why in the world would she fly someone in for a inspection when WW Williams has a mobile service ? only a few miles away and would probably cost 200 bucks then Kevin is 20 miles.The way that woman throws money away 1 could make a good living just picking up her change
You guys need to book mark www.truckdown.com (http://www.truckdown.com) they list repair shops and mobile mechanics across the USA and Canada and could come in handy for you some day
He's flying in to work for her shows for the weekend as the sound guy and he was going to pull the covers. He's not s mechanic but will get us some photos and video of the holes. Hope he will be successful. His trip was scheduled before the breakdown and he was going to do it for me.
That should work,I think if Kevin had the time you would have a better idea he would know what to look for JMO
The guy is there now. The transmission cooler is mounted up in the way so,that's going to take him a while to get that out of the way before he can pull the covers.
He has to drain the coolant and move that cooler out of the way. He needs to get a container to hold the coolant.
I just emailed Kevin the guys cell number if he can help at all.
Have her give Kevin 2 free tickets so he can save his 60 bucks I bet he would help in a heart beat ;D
He helped Dave inspect it today. It's got a cracked liner. Top of the piston has no damage so it didn't drop a valve.
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Easyish fix then?
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Easy band-aid repair for the bus but that engine had been abused so who knows how long before it does it again. Here is a better pic from Kevin I'll change it if that's what she decides to do. It's going to cost her around 2k if I do it and 1k of that is airfare. Pretty sure that's like a 5k repair most other places. She said it didn't get hot when it happened and they didn't lug it up any hills so I'd like to know how it happened. Is the block damaged or misshapen from the overheat before? That piston looks knarly too. Was it oil starved? More questions than answers but if she wants a new kit in it I'll do it. If she looses her toad and drives it up the mountains right I think it will hold out unless something else reveals its ugly head when or if we tear into it.
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That piston does look pretty bad for sure!
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It's been hot like real hot,it's probably has a 1 piece piston they are bad about breaking liners after being run hot.You have another 7 pistons and liners just waiting for a time and place
Lets just hope the other seven hold out for 1000 more miles ;)
I you decide to do it, I have the tools to check the block.
I'll be curious to see how the liner comes out. It may be a loose fit.
The other ports were clean and dry.
Too bad they installed the engine right over the trailer hitch!
Quote from: Scott Crosby on February 28, 2016, 02:09:10 PM... Here is a better pic from Kevin
WHOAH!!! Hungry aluminum rodents couldn't chew one up that bad!
Kevin, for the love of God please tell me that the trailer hitch is not welded to those cradle cross members that have to come off to get the oil pan off??
Yeah the piston looks like a ginsu knife serrated edge.
Lol. You guys crack me up. That piston looks terrible. Kinda looks like a caveman made it out of stone tools lol
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Quote from: Scott Crosby on February 28, 2016, 07:06:59 PM
Kevin, for the love of God please tell me that the trailer hitch is not welded to those cradle cross members that have to come off to get the oil pan off??
Yeah the piston looks like a ginsu knife serrated edge.
lol I think that what he is saying Scott,I just love it when they do that ???
Maybe it was too covered in grease and oil to tell if it was welded or bolted :)
Scott, To be honest, I didn't pay attention to how it mounted. It was exactly where we needed to work though. Removing the exhaust manifold gave us the room we needed. Dave had already unbolted the cooler, so it had some movement. The biggest plus was charging the air tanks and getting the bus back up off the ground. It sure looked sad with the bags down.
I asked Dave to find the keys to the hitch lock, Getting that off the back helped a lot too.
I would consider removing the bumper, Might open up a larger work space.
As was mentioned, It is very oil soaked. Everything is well lubed.
Wow, I'm no expert, but with so much missing aluminum on that piston, I sure would be surprised if that motor makes it more than an hour at freeway speeds. If Cat lady needs the bus in SD, perhaps having it towed there would be better progress than spending 3K and then an hour down the road do it all again? So close, yet so far away. I personally would be skeptical driving that into the desert.... maybe if she makes it to Cajon pass she can coast into the valley... every mile will count I suspect.
SolarDude
I'll be in Phoenix Monday. I can stop by and look at it and have some friends there and there is a bus company on 7th and they seem to be helpful.
The Cat is out of the bag now with all the publicity and photos she is going to have a tough time selling that one without spending some major bucks :D
I don't think she'll be too disappointed as that one came from a Kickstarter campaign too - I believe. I think she's got about 70k into it though, which is about standard investment for a bus owner into a 10k bus from my experience :)
Quote from: Scott Crosby on February 29, 2016, 06:11:11 AM
I don't think she'll be too disappointed as that one came from a Kickstarter campaign too - I believe. I think she's got about 70k into it though, which is about standard investment for a bus owner into a 10k bus from my experience :)
Ain't that the truth. Think your getting into the Bus deal with a low price and look up several years later and could have bought a new one to wrap a fortune in. It never stops whether new or old. Kinda like I learned in the ranching business. How to make a million in the small cow operation, Start out with 2. Good luck and glad you're helping the Lady!
It does make it a lot easier when one is playing with other peoples monies,most bus owners don't have that luxury like she does.
It's diffidently a different world now than I have been living in. I saw a new way to sell a bus the guy is on Gofund asking for 8 grand for his bus he been trying to sell if he gets the 8 grand he is going to donate the bus to a vet, so far it's not working for him
From Phoenix to San Diego which route is easiest on the bus? 8 or 10? I've driven 10 2x in my bus but always the other direction. Never been on 8
I 8 is the best from Phoenix go 10 to Casa Grande take 8 and go if she was on the west side you take the bypass 85 to Gila Bend and pickup 8
I am picturing this; The Cat Bus spraying for Mosquitoes, behind that Kevin with his cats on his forklift with his neat tool trailer, Clifford in the Humvee, Scott in Benny all on I-8 on the way to SD and at least 30 Busnuts in San Dimus by Thursday joining in, Like the song Convoyyyyyyy.
;D :o ::) 8) This is going to be fun eh!...
Dave5Cs
Quote from: Dave5Cs on February 29, 2016, 07:59:47 AM
I am picturing this; The Cat Bus spraying for Mosquitoes, behind that Kevin with his cats on his forklift with his neat tool trailer, Clifford in the Humvee, Scott in Benny all on I-8 on the way to SD and at least 30 Busnuts in San Dimus by Thursday joining in, Like the song Convoyyyyyyy.
;D :o ::) 8) This is going to be fun eh!...
Dave5Cs
Not the Humvee this time Dave but I will pull in with a Humvee trailer behind the Trek lol it will tow it
Quote from: Dave5Cs on February 29, 2016, 07:59:47 AM
I am picturing this; The Cat Bus spraying for Mosquitoes, behind that Kevin with his cats on his forklift with his neat tool trailer, Clifford in the Humvee, Scott in Benny all on I-8 on the way to SD and at least 30 Busnuts in San Dimus by Thursday joining in, Like the song Convoyyyyyyy.
;D :o ::) 8) This is going to be fun eh!...
Dave5Cs
LOL. That is just what I needed to brighten my day. Thanks, Dave!!!
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From Phoenix to San Diego which route is easiest on the bus? 8 or 10? I've driven 10 2x in my bus but always the other direction. Never been on 8
8 westbound has a big hot climb after Ocatillo when it climbs off the desert floor up to Jacumba and Boulevard - they're in the high country south of Julian. If it's a hot day that climb between the bare rocks can be tough on an old vehicle.
John
I found the bus but I can't find her. My number is 3074132681 if some one could pass it on.
I don't find west bound 8 that bad at KoPah that is just a long descent
I'm getting the build sheet from the reman engine. American fleet did it. But clearly it's not their fault it's in the condition it's in. I told them the overheating and low coolant issues to assure them it was not their fault.
I don't have a piston for it. It's got the single piece trunk style In it and I only have two piece style Pistons here plus it's got 5193734 twenty thousandths over and I only have 3 standard. And a couple #4's. So I'll need to just get a whole kit for it. I'm glad I got the build sheet.
Unless someone's got some old ones laying around they want to get rid of?
Sounds like the puzzle is getting harder and the only solution is getting easier. Since it's a gmc the motor probably turn counter clockwise and eliminates a take out motor and the parts
Are older style and not to mention its in the middle of nowhere. Just because it's in Phoenix, down town at that, it may as well be on the side of the road. That is where it will be the next time it breaks. Even if you get it running, it sounds like she can't drive it. Sounds like the prevost is next on the list.
I checked and have a set of 8 but they are .005 over plus they are cross head,you are going to need a connecting rod too the old 5135756 rod will bend 99% of the time when a liner breaks
The local guy here in Indy has the liner amd trunk kit on the shelf complete. Plus he"ll put it together for me as I don't have the tool for the wrist pin cap. He's a bit higher than the internat places but having it all assembled and no shipping makes it ok. I didn't ask him the price but the last time it was around $325 for everything for the hole.
Is it strange that a brand new reman engine would come with the one piece trunk style pitons? I guess I didn't see that coming. None of my v engines ever had them, only my 47 671 has them.
Trunk style. Getting rid of old stock? Are they cheaper? I guess all the turbo engines would be Crosshead style? Good luck on that project.
Glen,your 92 series will have cross head,they do use the trunk style on turbo engines.They phased the trunk style out to do away with piston slap that would break the liners over time.
The trunk style is still around even in the 92 series , re builders don't want the expense of buying different connecting rods so they go back with the OEM serial and model number that is 1 way they can cover their @$#.
FWIW the trunk style is the only piston you can buy for the DD with the single big oil ring instead of with 2 small oil rings which is not all bad IMO but they are getting hard to find That engine will probably have .020 over sized bearing also that I am not a fan of either.It would not surprise me in the least that block is junk now with cracks in the main bearing web
She got my airline tickets today. I'll fly out Friday afternoon. I got what I hope is all the parts needed. :) I've got everything to replace a kit and all the gaskets for the job.
If anyone wants to,come out and help or just hang out while I'm working you are welcome. The plan it to drive it to San Diego Sunday evening. Let's hope it goes to plan.
Quote from: Scott Crosby on March 01, 2016, 04:08:01 PM... I've got everything to replace a kit and all the gaskets for the job. ...
I don't think you're fixing the real problem but the truth is, you can't ... if you know what I mean ...
Yes the linkage between the seat and steering wheel has caused all the problems. She don't drive it. She hires people and they don't have experience with 2 strokes and most always it's someone new. they never really get a feel for it or know how to see, feel, or hear issues coming up. They just drive it like a car that has no limitations. Put in D and go 75 mph and never look back..... Hopefully this band aide repair will get her another month of operation. It's a 2k gamble. She's got a donation page up for some help with the expense... She is got quite a following of fans that like to help. When I worked on the bus in Houston my bill was almost 2k. One of her volunteers paid me. She didn't ask, they just came to me and said they were paying the bill. It's pretty amazing to have support like that.
Quote from: Scott Crosby on March 01, 2016, 05:57:18 PMYes the linkage between the seat and steering wheel has caused all the problems. ...
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If it weren't for 17 cats inside a 40 foot bus.....I would drive a stint for her....but yikes. Let us know how it goes!
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I have a super sensitive nose to smells. I can't even tell there is one cat in that bus. Crazy but it don't smell like cats. They are well cared for, clean, and well "super cats" as they are more trained than 99% of dogs.
They do look really really well groomed in the videos. And well behaved too!
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Always remember Dogs have owners and Cats have staff!...
Dave ;D
Every night , while we pets the dogs, my cats and I have a beer. One happy family, but Nacho (kitty from hell) says we ought to get rid of the dogs. ;D
Ok I was wrong. It didnt smell like cat when it was cool and really air was running but I just got to the bus tonight and it's been baking in the 90 deg sunny day and It really smells like cat. The cats are not on the bus they are staying elsewhere but either they didn't clean out all the litter boxes or it's just the heat that baked it out. I'm going to stay in a hotel rather than on the bus. Whew it's still like 120 in the bus
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Scott, so what now? If she wants to sell the bus, can the block be used to rebuild it? Or are you looking for a good runner to swap in?
JC
You better mike the crankshaft the upper shell has some crazy wear,if have any black marks the cylinder wall find you another engine
Pull the engine and install a large squirrel cage in its place and put the cats in it. When you want to go, throw in a couple of mice. For passing, toss in a bull dog.
They just look worn strange due to reflections and the fact we just sprayed them down with brake clean and the oil was on them strange in the pix. They actually look surprisingly good up close. Of course they are only 14 months old and it sits six months out of a year. Maybe 25k on the ?? No black heat spots on the block holes either.
That is going to be job removing those you without a sleeve puller in your suitcase
There is a bus company just off 7th just a few blocks away with a big yard and nice people. Kinda glad she wasn't around when I got there. Almost stopped by on Saturday but was on a call. I would have talked to the bus company about using some of their enormous space before I took it apart. Good thing was they have any tool you may need and like I said. They are pretty friendly. Now it's a big mess in a lot right down town Phoenix.
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There is a bus company just off 7th just a few blocks away with a big yard and nice people. Kinda glad she wasn't around when I got there. Almost stopped by on Saturday but was on a call. I would have talked to the bus company about using some of their enormous space before I took it apart. Good thing was they have any tool you may need and like I said. They are pretty friendly. Now it's a big mess in a lot right down town Phoenix.
That bus Co.is Divine Transportation good people to deal with they do a lot of outside work on older buses,it was Michelangelo up to 3 or 4 years ago
Quote from: jackhanow on March 07, 2016, 05:09:08 PM
Now it's a big mess in a lot right down town Phoenix.
no...not really, (from another site)... Enjoy it and be glad you're not doing this in June. Have you got a decent place to work on it?.....
Yeah I'm at Kevin's yard on concrete pad
Those liners were tight coming out and the new .020 would have had to be driven in with a sledge hammer. They were .017 not .020. Kevin has all the right tools and we checked, double and triple checked and they were too small. After honing it's s great fit. One down three to go when they get here tomorrow. Overnight shipping was like $400 for the three Kits. The block looks good though.
So your replacing 4 sleeves and Pistons ?
Yes all 4 on the front lower bank were toast. Three of them were cracked liners and the 4th had a broken piston in it with missing top ring. One of the cracked liners had a piston with a hole in it.
Quote from: Scott Crosby on March 07, 2016, 05:46:56 PM
Those liners were tight coming out and the new .020 would have had to be driven in with a sledge hammer. They were .017 not .020. Kevin has all the right tools and we checked, double and triple checked and they were too small. After honing it's s great fit. One down three to go when they get here tomorrow. Overnight shipping was like $400 for the three Kits. The block looks good though.
.017 is standard for a .020 bore on a DD some fit, some you the use hone,they never bore one to the exact .020 liners vary too much even the OEM Detroit liners
Was the coolant not circulating on tha side? Seems odd one side is gone but the other is ok. I have seen that and all the cases the crossover was blocked. One time it was they didn't flip the head gasket over and the other times it was the crossover port was blocked. Or they didn't let the air out of the system at the crossover. Causing the coolant to be low on one side.
4106 back to life (http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=7t8nBFCPkPE#)
Made it to San Diego no issues. Did great on the grades and never went over 190
Quote from: Scott Crosby on March 10, 2016, 08:57:00 AM
Made it to San Diego no issues. Did great on the grades and never went over 190
I think that engine has 9 lives ...
Quote from: Oonrahnjay on March 10, 2016, 10:09:34 AM
I think that engine has 9 lives ...
well yeah...it's a Detroit. Kudos to Scott, starting with gumption, he has just about single-handed erased the myth that Detroit's 2 strokes are a "specialized" motor...
Simple.
Scott changes cylinders like I change my socks. I love that he always includes fun pics and videos of his work.
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Quote from: eagle19952 on March 10, 2016, 09:52:02 PM
well yeah...it's a Detroit. Kudos to Scott, starting with gumption, he has just about single-handed erased the myth that Detroit's 2 strokes are a "specialized" motor...
Simple.
Anyone can do it's just the frigging "specialized" tools lol when I get finished with a 8v92 I know where you can buy a ton of the "specialized" tools like a 600 dollar hone . Anyone want to play a guessing game on what the cost was on that repair,I'll start with transportation, parts and labor I say around 5 grand + or - She has some bucks in that bus she will never get back,oh and don't forget Kevin in this deal
It's also good to know there is somebody that will hustle and come to you to get you out of a bind. Even though he's charging (sounds like peanuts too) it gives me a piece of mind. Hat's Off.
He is reasonable I can't pay my insurance and power bill for what he charges
Quote from: luvrbus on March 11, 2016, 05:21:28 AM
He is reasonable I can't pay my insurance and power bill for what he charges
The way I freak out over a problem I "think" i have, I'd fly that boy anywhere I was and put him up in the Hilton with room service.
LOL all you need Glen is a Pro/Link and printer you don't even get your hands dirty
Quote from: luvrbus on March 11, 2016, 05:31:07 AM
LOL all you need Glen is a Pro/Link and printer you don't even get your hands dirty
Pro link huh? I'll get one as soon as I find one. I'm trying to spend my daughter's inheritance down. Already spent a fortune on college. Her turn to make it. ::)
LOL if your a betting man Clifford go on the plus side of that number.... :) a little over 2500 in just parts this job got expensive. I could have swapped the engine for 1/2 this cost of the job with a good running take out if she had time instead of needing a quickie repair.
Exactly $0 dollars of this investment will she ever see back in the sale of that bus. But she gets to make it to her next shows and her cats have their home back. They have a very specialized area in the bus where they live. It's about 1/3 of the interior built out is like a kitty cat McDonald's play land with little cat condos all around it. She couldn't just rent another rv like that for them to live in and play in. The cat quarters in the bus are 10x nicer than the human areas!
One thing about driving a bus with 15 cats, 4 rats, 1 ground hog and a chicken is that something drops a turd about every 20 min like clock work I got a not so nice odor in the bus. Umm unless the girl that was with me in the bus had really bad gas and just blamed the cats :) driving that bus would not be my dream job.
Quote from: Scott Crosby on March 11, 2016, 05:47:55 AM... One thing about driving a bus with 15 cats, 4 rats, 1 ground hog and a chicken is that something drops a turd about every 20 min like clock work I got a not so nice odor in the bus. Umm unless the girl that was with me in the bus had really bad gas and just blamed the cats :) driving that bus would not be my dream job.
Just doesn't sound like my idea of paradise, but everyone to his own, I guess ...
I forgot to include Kevin I am sure he got paid a little also
If I broke down on the road, I would fix it. You have to do what you have to do. I couldn't abandon it. Doesn't matter what the bus is worth. It is worth fixing (to me anyway).
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Quote from: luvrbus on March 11, 2016, 05:21:28 AM
He is reasonable I can't pay my insurance and power bill for what he charges
I hear that!
Professionals have overhead, and it is is not a highly profitable business doing bus/truck repairs for a living.
--Geoff
Quote from: lostagain on March 11, 2016, 03:26:15 PM
If I broke down on the road, I would fix it. You have to do what you have to do. I couldn't abandon it. Doesn't matter what the bus is worth. It is worth fixing (to me anyway).
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Having recently been in this situation I have to agree. My little experience has set me back north of 20K, and I am still cleaning up after the mechanic. (Just ran the rack yesterday. Left bank was not reaching full fuel, valve clearances were all over the place, and right bank jakes oil tubes were left about 5 or 6 turns backed out. Oh and high speed was only 2150, I ran it up to 2350.)
Nice to see a x student dong it right ;D
Quote from: luvrbus on March 12, 2016, 06:10:19 AM
Nice to see a x student dong it right ;D
You taught me well, lol.