Are any of guys running the Ample Power Regulators on your 50D alternator.I am trying to get this battery bank and charging system right the 1st time I don't care to go through this again www.amplepower.com (http://www.amplepower.com)
Wow Clifford! That is pretty expensive for a complicated system like that. Course, I'm hopelessly a KISS person. Good Luck, TomC
Not at this time, but some interesting reads with the links I just glanced at.
I did pickup on the yearly afterward chat diagnostics subscription. Though I kinda like the diagnosing here at the forum. Thanks for the links
Good day
Floyd
Clifford, why don't you get rid of that dinosaour and convert to the dual Bosch alts? The complete kits are available from MCI or Prevost.
Does that come with TP also, Wow ;D
You could just use the solid state Delco VR. I did, Charging system is better now.
I'll find the part number tomorrow when I get to the shop.
Kevin, I have the Delco 10503805 regulator now is that what you are talking about ?
Yup
I switched out the mechanical one for the 12V version. Pretty happy with it. Connecting the sense wire corrected and steadied the charging voltage.
Clifford yours is running 24v Delco now, with that number right.
Floyd
Quote from: brmax on February 15, 2016, 12:41:12 AM
Clifford yours is running 24v Delco now, with that number right.
Floyd
yep
Quote from: luvrbus on February 15, 2016, 01:38:26 AM
yep, belt driven oil cooled on series 60 engine.I leaning towards the dual alternators setup for a better balance system or going with AGM for the starting also.I have a couple of the 24v hi tech alternators off the Humvees if I can find the right pulleys I may try.I just thought the 500 buck Ample may solve a lot of problems the easy way
Kevin, Where did you connect the sense wire ? I am going to connect at the batteries. Is there a place at a large bank of batteries that is better to connect the sense wire or as long as it is at the batteries somewhere ?
Wayne
That is a good question Wayne I asked the people at Blanchard and Kirks and got 2 different answers.I believe Boomer has the right idea with the 2 alternators for mine with the 24v system
Quote from: rusty on February 17, 2016, 02:00:11 AM
Kevin, Where did you connect the sense wire ? I am going to connect at the batteries. Is there a place at a large bank of batteries that is better to connect the sense wire or as long as it is at the batteries somewhere ?
Wayne
Wayne, The SS Delco VR has a terminal for sense. It can be used to ensure that the regulator "sees" the same voltage as the batteries. Any appreciable voltage drop can lead to battery overcharging or too much VR "hunting".
I ran a 10ga wire from the batteries directly to the VR.
That stopped most of my voltmeter dancing.
? where does it need to connect Kevin on the house batteries or starting batteries mine is connected to starting batteries.I think that is my problem the house batteries were not wired up to charge off the engine when I wired it to charge the house batteries off the 50D with a oneway feed with a 300 amp isolator then my problems started. Like the house batteries would over charge when the starting batteries needed the charge.My starting batteries are wet 2-8D's and the house bank are AGM both 24v systems if that helps
Thank You Kevin. Yes I am running a wire from the sense terminal to the batteries. Do you think there is a connection on the battery bank that will be better? Does the whole battery bank see the same voltage at the same time? I am trying to figure out where is the best place on the battery bank to connect the sense wire.
Wayne
I was replying as Clifford was. I am only charging my house batteries. Clifford With two systems being charged and only one sense The bank without the sense will keep charging until the sense batteries reach their limit. If the greater bank has the sense then the lesser bank will get over charged.
Wayne
Wayne are using 2 alternators ? I have your emblem packed up ready to send I am sending you the metal Jake Brake emblem also if you don't want it you can pass it on
Yes I am using the d50 for the house batteries (so I can run an AC ) and a smaller one for the coach batteries. Thank You for the emblems. Now all I need is an ABS emblem.
Wayne
Wayne, Unless there is serious voltage drop between batteries, I would just connect it where it's most convenient.
Test the voltage at the batts and see what you have. If they're flooded batts, I'd be happy just under 14V, No need to cook them.
Kevin
Clifford if you have an original Bus batt converter still in the loop and altenator charging and the inverter/charger in the same loop you will over charge them. That's what happened on mine until I found what PO did and took out the converter and it only charges the starts like it always did.
Dave
As this post is a few days old already the info is probably not too useful, but I'll post anyhow just in case.
Reading the post, if I understand correctly, the desire is to use the primemover alternator to charge the house battery?
I also wanted to do this, without installing secondary alternators, the solution I found was https://www.victronenergy.com/battery-isolators-and-combiners/cyrix-battery-combiners (https://www.victronenergy.com/battery-isolators-and-combiners/cyrix-battery-combiners) there are several sizes to choose from, but the point is that it will connect the starter battery and house bank when the voltage reaches the desired voltage and then connect the two banks and disconnect automatically when the voltage drops.
SolarDude
Quote from: solardude on February 20, 2016, 04:04:11 AM
As this post is a few days old already the info is probably not too useful, but I'll post anyhow just in case.
Reading the post, if I understand correctly, the desire is to use the primemover alternator to charge the house battery?
I also wanted to do this, without installing secondary alternators, the solution I found was https://www.victronenergy.com/battery-isolators-and-combiners/cyrix-battery-combiners (https://www.victronenergy.com/battery-isolators-and-combiners/cyrix-battery-combiners) there are several sizes to choose from, but the point is that it will connect the starter battery and house bank when the voltage reaches the desired voltage and then connect the two banks and disconnect automatically when the voltage drops.
SolarDude
I'm not electronically literate enough (one of my most fundamental understatements, ever) to understand what's going on here -- and some of the components and circuits appear to apply to Lithium batteries, which are probably beyond the pale of most bus converters at this stage of technology, but I think I like what I see. There is one circuit that shows a momentary "connect-the-'house'-and-'start'-battery" switch to allow current from both battery banks to flow to the starter.
Of course, a big plus is the capability to automatically separate the house from start bank; when the house batteries are drawn down when the engine is off, the start batts remain fully charged and ready to power the starter. Is the reverse true? -- that when you're plugged into shore-power or running the generator, does the interlink charge both the house and start batteries?
I'm going to investigate this further. (I also like the Victron inverters and the features and functions that they offer.)
www.texasindustrialelectric.com (http://www.texasindustrialelectric.com) has a lot of battery equipment I am just trying to figure out what I need.Victron I have had no luck with their products I had their inverters in my boat
Quote from: luvrbus on February 20, 2016, 06:32:34 AM
www.texasindustrialelectric.com (http://www.texasindustrialelectric.com) has a lot of battery equipment I am just trying to figure out what I need.Victron I have had no luck with their products I had their inverters in my boat
Why is that, Clifford? I was just getting ready to pull out my moneygun and fire off a few rounds at Victron -- don't wanna do that if it's not going to work well. Cherie and Chris ("Technomads") really like their Victron inverter.
Quote from: luvrbus on February 20, 2016, 06:32:34 AM
www.texasindustrialelectric.com (http://www.texasindustrialelectric.com) has a lot of battery equipment I am just trying to figure out what I need.Victron I have had no luck with their products I had their inverters in my boat
Thanks for that link, Clifford. I like how their website is laid out. Now to figger out how all that stuff works!!
Quote from: Oonrahnjay on February 20, 2016, 06:41:08 AM
Why is that, Clifford? I was just getting ready to pull out my moneygun and fire off a few rounds at Victron -- don't wanna do that if it's not going to work well. Cherie and Chris ("Technomads") really like their Victron inverter.
It could have been the marine environment on the Victrons and mounted in the engine room all I know I got tired of paying Mark @West Coast Marine to work on them.I replaced both with Magnums but mounted outside the engine room it was part of the sale the buyer didn't want the Victrons
I am completely bias, but I really like the Victron stuff. I too have had them in boats, the trick is to not tell anyone it is for a boat, and certainly I never take anything that I don't have to, to a "marine repair" guy.. I noticed right away that owning a yacht is like having "SUCKER" written on my forehead. I don't know why, but I try to always either do the work myself, or find another boat guy to help out... and last resort go to the so-called "marine guy" which will always overcharge overstate and over complicate any transactions... that has been my experience almost 1:1.
Now Victron is expensive, but if you buy it through solar dealers you will almost always get a better deal. I buy my viltron stuff through "the power store" in Texas. Jon is a great guy. They don't sell a ton of viltron stuff, but their prices are the best in the states.
To answer Oonrahnjay question about if the relay is bi-directional. It is. If the voltage drops on either side that is receiving voltage above a certain rating, the relay will kick in to charge. I don't know what that spec is, but I would think if you wanted you could call victron to ask. I don't know if overcharging would be a concern, as most regulators keep the voltage below 14.7 * 2 volts and most batteries equalize at above 15Vdc.
Again, I am biased as I'm heavily invested.
Solardude.