Might have finally found our bus. The guy wants cold hard green cash dollars upon delivery. Kind of a fun question here, but what precautions would you take in transporting a large amount of money?... How many of you would just be too nervous to do it? What would be the limit of how much you would be willing to have in cash in your possession?
i would meet at a police station. i would cary no more than $50,000 cash but i would have my 9 in my pants.
Marc.. I carried cash and had it hid in my P/U in a place that would be hard to find unless you worked for the Border Patrol. If I were you, I would hide the cash in your vehicle somewhere and not get it out until you felt comfortable with the person you are dealing with or comfortable with the surroundings. Also, never meet anyone with cash that you haven't talked with by phone first, and call them again before you leave to make sure it is still a working number. Most crooks even though are stupid, will most likely not be stupid enough to give you their phone number with plans to rob you. Good Luck!!!
Jimmy
I took a bank check when I went to Florida to buy mine. Once deal was agreed on we went to seller bank were he cashed it and gave me back the difference.
Marc,
I have carried very large amounts of money to purchase vehicles.
I would meet somewhere public. Have him bring the bus to a Walmart parking lot. I have purchased vehicles from bank parking lots and WM parking lots. I would also suggest hiding the money. However, if he wants to steal it, it won't be that hard to do. I won't give suggestions, but when you are there, he has a significant power of persuasion, if so equipped. More of the issue is making sure he is legit. Ask for some specific pictures of the bus (aka, the drivers area, the engine compartment etc) to make the the pictures look like they match.
Go with your gut. Take the bus for a test drive, but stick to the public roads. When you do, leave your money in the car, of course. Just make sure the money is hidden.
FWIW
God bless,
John
Dangerous way to do business (don't ask how I know ::) ) Check everything out and if it all adds up, go to the bank (pre-arrange this) and exchange $$ and documentation right there - preferably in company of a bank officer (acts as protection and gives you a witness). Cash is great, but once it's gone it's GONE.
Or he might settle for travelers checks?
Or is this just an over abundance of caution?
Hope you love your bus as much as I love mine :).
Nellie
I have met the gentleman and seen the bus in the barn he built for it. He is close to 80 years old. I think I can take him... ;D ;D ;D
But seriously, not worried about this situation, just curious as to how much money others have had on them and how they dealt with it.
I would not sweat it, I sold my class B this fall and we did the deal in cash. I just put the $$$ in my pack and tossed it behind the seat. Remember, you know you have it no one else does. However, I was in Santa Barbra. If I was in Compton or south central LA I certainly would have felt differently. I would be more concerned about how much $$$ I withdrew from the bank at any one time. Above I think 25K triggers federal reporting requirements by the Bank. I always like to keep them out of the picture when ever possible.
Enjoy your new Bus,
TM
Well I didn't get to drive it today because the grass was too wet near where it was parked. I did bring some cash with me... and my .357 magnum.
10 grand sets the off alarms at the bank IRS know the minute you take it out,banks warn you about taking cashiers checks they are easy to forge crooks love to give you those.
If you have trouble carrying cash ask him about a wire transfer but I don't see a problem he is probably going to nervous taking that much cash.
The guy that bought my bus I told him it was a cash deal but I was talking about a transfer not Mr Hamilton when he gave me cash I asked what the hell he told me you said cash lol
good luck enjoy the new ride
Quote from: travlinman on February 03, 2011, 03:28:33 PM
I would not sweat it, I sold my class B this fall and we did the deal in cash. I just put the $$$ in my pack and tossed it behind the seat. Remember, you know you have it no one else does. However, I was in Santa Barbra. If I was in Compton or south central LA I certainly would have felt differently. I would be more concerned about how much $$$ I withdrew from the bank at any one time. Above I think 25K triggers federal reporting requirements by the Bank. I always like to keep them out of the picture when ever possible.
Enjoy your new Bus,
TM
10K is the trigger. Don't ask how I know. Also, it is against the law to take out money in smaller than 10K increments to avoid the trigger.
TOM
Clear title no liens!! before any money
Bring a trusted friend.
At the risk of causing thread drift I can't resist posting this. I used to be the president of our local exhibition/summer fair. The midway gave us a cut out of their total take that typically amounted to 13-15,000. They would pay us out the last night of the fair after the gates were closed while the carnies were tearing down the midway. The mother of the family that owned the midway would deliver the cash, in an envelope, in her purse to me in the fair office at 2 or 3:00 AM. And then I would make a very nervous trip to the night deposit at the local credit union. I always assumed she was armed but I know I never was and it was Canada after all so she may not have been either. She was/is a tough old bird - I wouldn't want to try to take her. Probably the best advice for taking big cash is "yea though I walk through the valley of the shadow of death I shall fear no evil cuz I'm the meanest SOB in the valley".
I've carried up to 125k in an old paper bag sitting in the front seat with the car unlocked :D
Get the VIN # and check to see no liens or title issues and that it is issued in seller's name - HTH
If I was the seller, I would prefer arrangements other than cash. Money can be counterfeited like anything else. That's why retailers have those gold pens they swipe the dead presidents with.
Dennis
If I was trying to convert counterfeit bills to real money the last thing I would buy would be a bus conversion. It would be hell to sell one. I would buy stuff like gold jewelry that any pawn shop would pay cash for.
I personally would feel pretty safe taking $100 bills for my bus if I was selling it. I suppose I could take the cash to a bank before handing over the vehicle.
Taking cash to a bank can be a problem also some banks just allow a small amount of cash each month unless you are a cash bussines and frequently deposit large amount of cash don't ask how I know that lol
good luck
I would consider handling everything in a safe place. Perhaps in your bank. You could arrange with a bank officer to withdraw and hand over the cash while you both are there. I would understand that the seller does not want to worry he is taking a bad check, however that bank could even issue a bank check on the spot to he knows that it is real. Then, if there is a title problem, there would be a paper trail. I once bought a car that way. Further, since bank officers are often notaries, you could have him verify the transaction in some way. Another option could be to use the AAA, the DMV, or a lawyers office in some way. It is not right to ask to increase your risks to minimize his. Remember, con man commonly manipulate honest person's trust and enthusiasm.
I once had a guy trying to sell me a bus that was not his. I lost my deposit on that one. Even though he was caught and prosecuted, I did not get any money back.
Marc.. If the bus isn't too far away, I'd be more than willing to drive you there and follow you back in case you have any problems..
You have my number.. Give me a call if I can help in any way..
Jimmy
Marc,
If the guy is 80 years old, and since you have met him, I wouldn't sweat it. Don't worry about it. You will be fine. I have had a lot more then 10K cash with us. No problems.
No worries. You have it covered. Just watch out for his kids ;D. They might be the shady ones :D.
God bless,
John
I only try to carry my 2 cents with me. But I find myself always giving it away ;D
Looks like this bus isn't the one after all. After much consulting and a ton of pictures analyzed, I got some wise council from a rust expert telling me to walk away... I will follow the advice of the expert. So the search continues and the cash stays under my mattress! ;D
Quote from: thejumpsuitman on February 03, 2011, 07:20:10 PM
the cash stays under my mattress! ;D
So, um, just curious, where's your bed? :D :D :D
Ha, couldn't pass that one up ;D
Where was the rust that 20 is made from Cor/Ten and Cor/Ten rusts to protect the metal should be only light rust on sheet metal
good luck
Quote from: luvrbus on February 03, 2011, 07:39:20 PM
Where was the rust that 20 is made from Cor/Ten and Cor/Ten rusts to protect the metal should be only light rust on sheet metal
good luck
Hi Clifford,
I will try to upload the pics for you to see or PM me your email address and I will send the crucial ones to you. It was disappointing, but if there is a glimmer of hope, I'm open to it. ??? :-\
Jump,
Any chance you could post those pics or a link to them ??? I am sure many feel they are part of this transaction, by now. :)
Thanks,
John
Here are the nasty ones... The bus is an Eagle 20
http://imgs.inkfrog.com/pix/thejumpsuitman/100_9519.JPG (http://imgs.inkfrog.com/pix/thejumpsuitman/100_9519.JPG)
http://imgs.inkfrog.com/pix/thejumpsuitman/100_9534.JPG (http://imgs.inkfrog.com/pix/thejumpsuitman/100_9534.JPG)
http://imgs.inkfrog.com/pix/thejumpsuitman/100_9536.JPG (http://imgs.inkfrog.com/pix/thejumpsuitman/100_9536.JPG)
What was he asking? Please
John
Great photog.
Quote from: JohnEd on February 03, 2011, 08:56:50 PM
What was he asking? Please
John
Great photog.
John Ed,
I send you a PM.
Dang, that don't look too good. Then again, depends how far it's migrated... and your resources for metal replacement. Maybe figure your R&R costs and deduct that amount from price? If you really love that bus (sounds like you do) things might still work out.
Depending on the situation, maybe this old fella would let you perform repairs right there, in the barn. You could camp out in the bus... which you're eventually going to do anyway. Now that I write it, sounds pretty cool... hey, I'll come do it! ::)
Nellie
I think you should PM me your route, time schedule, amount of cash you'll be carrying, how many people will be with you, what weapons you may have at your disposal and any martial arts you may be fluent in. Or just the old mans address ;D
This old man's name would no be Jack Lxxxxxxxxxx would it.
Quote from: busnut104 on February 04, 2011, 04:29:19 AM
This old man's name would no be Jack Lxxxxxxxxxx would it.
Jack Lalane? LOL. No, the guy's name was not Jack.
Quote from: Nellie Wilson on February 03, 2011, 11:18:24 PM
Dang, that don't look too good. Then again, depends how far it's migrated... and your resources for metal replacement. Maybe figure your R&R costs and deduct that amount from price? If you really love that bus (sounds like you do) things might still work out.
Depending on the situation, maybe this old fella would let you perform repairs right there, in the barn. You could camp out in the bus... which you're eventually going to do anyway. Now that I write it, sounds pretty cool... hey, I'll come do it! ::)
Nellie
It is a cool bus, but I have become quite dispassionate over the past year and a half and am willing to walk a way from trouble without much hesitation. According to Gary LaBombard, that is an enormous undertaking which he has done himself.
That is not bad or hard to repair the other photos show that to be a solid bus Call Sonnie Gray there no structural damage there I can see Sonnie could make short work out of those.Fwiw if there is no bow in the floor above the cross member in the front the rest of the front cross member above will be solid keep in mind you are dealing with a NJT Eagle 20 not a Belgium built 05 two different animals here
good luck
Quote from: Charley Davidson on February 03, 2011, 11:36:14 PM
I think you should PM me your route, time schedule, amount of cash you'll be carrying, how many people will be with you, what weapons you may have at your disposal and any martial arts you may be fluent in. Or just the old mans address ;D
Old saying I just made up ... "A man cannot steal your goat, if'n you don't tell him where you tie it up at night."
What is a little rust between friends?
BCO
Well things are looking up on this bus. After several Eagle guys put their heads together, it seems it might not be so bad after all. I am back on track for the purchase unless Sonnie says it's worse than we think. Is it okay to be excited yet??? ;D
You worry about some thief trying to steal all that cash, don't let the cops know you have it either. I have heard that they can and will seize it if givin the opportunity. I read somewhere that someone spent over a year trying to recover cash intended for a similar transaction. Seems the cops thought it was drug money and even though this individual had no record or was ever involved in such activity the cash came up positive for drug residue or something of that order. It seems a lot of cash can test positive for being involved around drugs. I like wiring the $$ to a bank better. You can go down and complete the transaction.
Quote from: thejumpsuitman on February 04, 2011, 10:23:14 AM
Well things are looking up on this bus. After several Eagle guys put their heads together, it seems it might not be so bad after all. I am back on track for the purchase unless Sonnie says it's worse than we think. Is it okay to be excited yet??? ;D
This thread kind of split in two directions, didn't it? Just talked with Sonnie Gray, he said the bus is not bad at all and that he wouldn't be afraid of it. As far as I am concerned it's a go...
Now... Where should I hide the cash? LOL
Quote
Now... Where should I hide the cash? LOL
I'll be glad to HIDE it for you..LOL
Quote from: thejumpsuitman on February 04, 2011, 11:05:47 AM
Now... Where should I hide the cash? LOL
Hide it in an old envelope, on the dash, and write how much money is in there in large black letters ;D ;D ;D.
Before you go, contact the state he is in & the state you reside in & find out what is required to prove ownership. If he can provide this to satisfy BOTH states, then it should be safe to proceed.
Find out what bank he does business with. Open an account there with a transfer from your bank. Take the seller there to complete the transaction.
As for me, I don't like carrying much over $500 to buy anything. Hard enough to remember where I put the keys . . . .
A friend worked at a luxury car dealership, one Saturday afternoon a couple came in to buy a $45,000 car. They paid in cash - mostly $5's & 10's with a few 20's. Turned out they owned a chain of laundry mats & had made the rounds that morning emptying the bill changers! ::) The dealership was so nervous. They had never seen that much cash before as everyone else paid with notes or checks or credit cards.
Quote from: John316 on February 04, 2011, 11:52:29 AM
Quote from: thejumpsuitman on February 04, 2011, 11:05:47 AM
Now... Where should I hide the cash? LOL
Hide it in an old envelope, on the dash, and write how much money is in there in large black letters ;D ;D ;D.
Wrap it in paper & alum foil then plastic. Then pack it in ice in a cooler label as "Caution, BIO HAZARD". Make sure the package is labeled with "Samples from AIDS patient"
That ought to keep people from messing with it. ;D
How about wad it up in a couple of diapers rolled up and taped into a ball like they were used. ;D
Marc,
Are you a proud new owner of a Eagle yet?
Quote from: brando4905 on February 06, 2011, 05:30:38 AM
Marc,
Are you a proud new owner of a Eagle yet?
Very close... We have been drenched with rain the past few days. We go back to drive it when the ground firms up. If all is well, we do the deed. Will keep everyone posted.
Marc
Okay, so here's what I did to transport the cash...
I got an old sewing machine, the old black type in a carrying case with a removable top. I took the sewing machine out and under it, I spread out all the cash then covered it with old rags. Put the sewing machine back in the case, fastened it and put it in the trunk.
At the hotel they probably wondered why on earth I was bringing an antique sewing machine into the room. ;D
Wow! Talk about an abundance of caution. :)
Nellie
Clever, Marc.
Good idea. Thanks for the update.
God bless,
John
Quote from: Nellie Wilson on February 19, 2011, 04:58:55 PM
Wow! Talk about an abundance of caution. :)
Nellie
1200 miles by car through 7 states? You bet an abundance of caution! In Louisiana, we got pulled on the way back and they searched the car completely without cause. Not looking to share, and when it comes to that kind of cash, I trust nobody.
JSM -
Actually, I was just kidding... :)
Hey, about that LA thing... did they give any kind of reason for the stop? Were you in the car or in the new bus?
Nellie
Marc,
Seriously, PD stopped you and searched the car? Why? In Kansas, after they stop you, they have to take care of business, tell you, that you can go, and THEN ASK if they can search your car.
We are told up here ALWAYS say no. I knew a guy in CA that had a tire knocker in his trunk. After he had a little fender bender, the police asked to search his car. He agreed. They found that knocker, and put him in jail for carrying a club. It is to the point, that even law abiding citizens, that have nothing to hide, need to refuse them, if possible. There just is no reason for it...
Now, take what I am saying with a grain of salt. I am a very law abiding citizen. I am surprised that things have gotten to this level, but they have.
FWIW
God bless,
John
Did you have the sewing machine full of cash when they stopped you ??? Not sure if I'm reading right :)
If you did and they found it there would be lots of explaining I'm sure.:)
There was some videos floating around about being stopped by the police on the road.
It had two examples one example showed the results of answering questions one way as opposed to another way.
Those videos could scare the **** out of any law abiding bus driver :) ( making it bus related ) :)
Back when the President who's home state was Arkansas was in office, my car was stopped on an Interstate Highway located in that state. I had nothing to hide, and since I figured the question was just rhetorical chit-chat, when the officer casually and pleasantly asked if he could search the car, I gave verbal consent. That was a mistake which I will not repeat.
The moment I gave consent the officer became an instant jerk. In the middle of nowhere and without any potential witnesses on my behalf, my car was practically torn apart from bumper to bumper. In the search process, the nice fit of a really nice car's trim panels was destroyed and a general sloppy mess was made of the car and its contents.
I would NEVER again consent to such a search without a warrant. If possible, I would insist on consulting an attorney first. Also, if possible, I would insist that any disassembly work be done by licensed tradesman. During my wait I overheard enough conversation to figure out that the reason for targeting the car was because it had been tracked as making a a fast turn-around trip to TX and thus was suspected of hauling drugs. Yes, I had made a quick run to TX, but not for any illegal purpose.
When it was all done, instead of an apology, I was given a rude and caustic "You beat us but we'll get you next time" attitude along with a torn-up car. I'm sure that by that time a search of my background had made it clear that any chance of my profile fitting a drug runner's was very slim. For all the police officers who have since faced a polite but firm hard line from me, they can thank the rude impolite boys from Arkansas.
The reason I mention this old news is to make law-abiding coach owners aware of the potential that lurks when giving a casual consent to search.
Peace
Quote from: TedsBUSted on February 20, 2011, 10:45:52 AM
I would NEVER again consent to such a search without a warrant.
The reason I mention this old news is to make law-abiding coach owners aware of the potential that lurks when giving a casual consent to search.
I can't imagine giving them casual permission to " look around " (search ) in a bus.
Quote from: Paso One on February 20, 2011, 11:02:15 AM
I can't imagine giving them casual permission to " look around " (search ) in a bus.
You're right Paso One.
As I recall, the request was posed as a question in the form of a light-hearted joke that caught me off guard.
However, the moment I gave some small form of verbal consent the tables turned.
It actually happened on the return trip. I was driving the bus and my friend was behind me in the car. He had to quickly call us to let us know he was stopped. It was he who gave permission for them to search. Glad it happened on the return trip. I would not put it past a dirty cop to seize my money. From what I am hearing, I should always say no. Good thing to know.
FWIW -
You guys are absolutely correct... now warrant, no search. These gestapo types don't understand 'nicety.' Bunch of punks with dirty collars and a badge, who mistake civility with stupidity.
Screw 'em.. they need a warrant. Which means they need probable cause. Which means they need a judge to execute the warrant. Which means they can't detain you (us). Which means we'll be across the state line before any of this happens.
Don't ask how I know. :D ;D
Nellie, the Outlaw
FWIW -
You guys are absolutely correct... now warrant, no search. (Wrong) These gestapo types don't understand 'nicety.' Bunch of punks with dirty collars and a badge, who mistake civility with stupidity.
Screw 'em.. they need a warrant. (Wrong) Which means they need probable cause. (Wrong) Which means they need a judge to execute the warrant.(Wrong) Which means they can't detain you (us).(Wrong) Which means we'll be across the state line before any of this happens.(Wrong)
Don't ask how I know. Cheesy Grin
Nellie, the Outlaw
Nellie,
Warrants are no longer necessary under the Patriot Act.
They are not required by law to be nice to you.
They don't have to have probable cause anymore
No warrant needed, no judge entering into it
You can be detained (legally) for 48 hours under wants & warrants, always been that way. (They check states to see you have any open warrants, not used much anymore, because of sharing of information via computers)
You will leave, when they "allow you to leave."
They can enter your home and tap your phones without your permission.
You still have Constitutional Rights in this country, but they are somewhat limited in scope now, they are not what they used to be. If you are stopped and questioned by law enforcement you should know and be able to recite the following by heart (or memory).
Officer, I mean no disrespect, but I understand my rights. I have the right to have an attorney present during questioning. I have a right to refuse to consent to any search of my body and my personal effects. I wish to exercise those rights. If I am under arrest, I wish to invoke and exercise my Miranda rights and be allowed the opportunity to obtain the advice of an attorney. If I am to be taken into custody, I request a reasonable opportunity to make arrangements to secure my property. If I am not under arrest, I want to leave. If I am free to leave please tell me immediately so I may go about my business.
I guess if I had problems I could skip the cops and call a crack head, but that isn't helping matters any. Coppin an attitude is only going to get you more grief.
Been there ... Done that ... Posted my bail.
BCO
;D ;D
FWIW
I will always tell them "No." Remember, that is IF they ask. If not, there isn't much I can do about it. If it is legal, they have to tell you that.
It doesn't hurt to tell them "No." Always.
God bless,
John
Quote from: thejumpsuitman on February 04, 2011, 01:07:54 PM
How about wad it up in a couple of diapers rolled up and taped into a ball like they were used. ;D
In 1998 we went down through Tx and along the Gulf coast. Going through La. we saw many, many cars and trucks pulled over being emptied out onto the highway. Scared me that they were doing that. Later heard there was a big FBI bust against s bunch of crooked cops down there. I'll just stay out of there.
But on another note. A great many men willingly sacrificed thier lives 200 odd years ago to give us the rights were talking about being trampled on here. Since when do we have to be subject to anyone about our comings or goings, or our personal effects, unless were under arrest? How we let this happen is beyond me, and its probably much to late to turn it around, but we really should have fought a lot harder for what we gave up.
Every little law or ordinance they create, is just another right or freedom we give up. I dont smoke, but ever increasing smoking ordinances act to strip away all our rights. They always use the gains they make on one ruling, as an example of support to take away the next thing they dont like.
what about those of us that live in our coaches full time? this is our "residence", our "house". do the rules change because it is a residence? or do the same rules still apply as to a "car"? i guess that might be a good question for an attorney. it is a motor vehicle, but it is also a residence which falls into a different category.
BCO -
That's one of the (many) reasons I love you! A maverick to the bitter end (plus, youre damn good writer).
And I don't doubt you for even a moment... except to say, that isn't my experience. Not even at the borders, where carte blanche (field officer's mood of the moment) is the norm.
Permission must be obtained before any search... if not volunteered, much rigamorole (and paperwork) ensues.
I won't belabor the point, as you may well be right. But you got me wondering: Why did those Louisiana cops seek permission? Could be ... just maybe ... the constitutional prohibition against unreasonable search and seizure trumps the local constabulary?
Just askin'? :)
Makes me wonder, too, why we just held a memorial service for two cops trying to serve a warrant? Geez, if they'd only known that was unnecessary... :'(
Nellie
Quote from: Nellie Wilson on February 20, 2011, 11:19:48 PM
BCO -
That's one of the (many) reasons I love you! A maverick to the bitter end (plus, youre damn good writer).
And I don't doubt you for even a moment... except to say, that isn't my experience. Not even at the borders, where carte blanche (field officer's mood of the moment) is the norm.
Permission must be obtained before any search... if not volunteered, much rigamorole (and paperwork) ensues.
I won't belabor the point, as you may well be right. But you got me wondering: Why did those Louisiana cops seek permission? Could be ... just maybe ... the constitutional prohibition against unreasonable search and seizure trumps the local constabulary?
Just askin'? :)
Makes me wonder, too, why we just held a memorial service for two cops trying to serve a warrant? Geez, if they'd only known that was unnecessary... :'(
Nellie
Nellie, most of this stems from a little thing that was passed after 9-11, it was called "The Patriot Act." A lot of your personal constitutional freedoms were stripped from you at that time under the guise of terrorism protection. If you don't believe that, then go down and purchase an airline ticket and try to fly somewhere. Better yet "pay cash for your ticket and don't take any luggage" (that profiles you as a drug runner) and see what transpires. This has already happened to me personally when I flew to Oakland, California to attend to the death of my father.
The reason they ask to search is this:
If they ask to search and you tell them yes, then anything and everything that they find, can be used against you in a court of law. If you REFUSE the search, they most likely will search you anyway, but anything that they find from that time is considered by the courts
poisoned fruit and therefore inadmissible to be used against you.
That is how it was explained to me.
Our liberties and personal freedom's, constitutional rights, are being eroded right before our very eyes, and we stand back and do nothing about it. We have no one to blame but ourselves, we allow these things to happen, and then later on, we sit back and lament the fact that they are gone. I have nothing but the highest regard for police and veterans, don't get me wrong, it is the politicians that I cannot stand, they are parasites in our society.
BCO
Quote from: artvonne on February 20, 2011, 10:53:10 PM
Quote from: thejumpsuitman on February 04, 2011, 01:07:54 PM
How about wad it up in a couple of diapers rolled up and taped into a ball like they were used. ;D
In 1998 we went down through Tx and along the Gulf coast. Going through La. we saw many, many cars and trucks pulled over being emptied out onto the highway. Scared me that they were doing that. Later heard there was a big FBI bust against s bunch of crooked cops down there. I'll just stay out of there.
But on another note. A great many men willingly sacrificed thier lives 200 odd years ago to give us the rights were talking about being trampled on here. Since when do we have to be subject to anyone about our comings or goings, or our personal effects, unless were under arrest? How we let this happen is beyond me, and its probably much to late to turn it around, but we really should have fought a lot harder for what we gave up.
Every little law or ordinance they create, is just another right or freedom we give up. I dont smoke, but ever increasing smoking ordinances act to strip away all our rights. They always use the gains they make on one ruling, as an example of support to take away the next thing they dont like.
It is insidious the way it happens isn't it? First they start with some little thing like smoking as you pointed out, or my personal favorite, "seat belts." And then they are off and running with it. Go down to the bank and try and remove a LARGE CHUNK OF CASH and see where that gets you.
One of these days it will be "all people with blue eyes are to report to" and that will be it.
We by-pass Louisiana every time we go to Florida or back east to the races, we will have nothing to do with them, for exactly the same reasons you have stated above. Why put yourself in harm's way, if you know it is there?
Now it is time to cut y'all some slack (Okie Talk) and I will now get down off my soapbox and say no more.
BCO
Thomas, Simply put; if you are going down the road the vehicle laws apply. If you are camped somewhere the residence laws apply. This could vary in some places and under some circumstances.
Well I have no problem avoiding Louisiana in the future. no offense to anybody from there, but I thought it was a DUMP. At least where we drove through. I-20 was nearly deserted, but we cam back along I-10 and it felt like a third-world country. We stopped outside Lafayette for the night and went to Wal-Mart. It felt funny just walking in, looking around at the kinds of people there. By the time we were ready to check out, a big fight broke out and by the time we left, the entrance was surrounded by cops.
You can keep Louisiana.
Marc,
To be honest, I agree. We don't necessarily avoid it, but it sure isn't my favourite place. Nothing against the people that live there, but I feel sorry that the state has slipped so far. I know the hurricane didn't help anything, and it has been a long hard recovery.
Sadly there are getting to be a lot of other places that feel like a third world country, in the states. I could list some of them off, but I won't.
God bless,
John
Boy I hope the boss is not reading this. Anytime we go southeast out of Colorado we will go a 1000 miles out of our way just to eat in Louisiana. You guys not going there will leave more Crawfish for me. Safe travels.
Wayne
Quote from: boxcarOkie
Nellie, most of this stems from a little thing that was passed after 9-11, it was called "The Patriot Act." A lot of your personal constitutional freedoms were stripped from you at that time under the guise of terrorism protection. If you don't believe that, then go down and purchase an airline ticket and try to fly somewhere. Better yet "pay cash for your ticket and don't take any luggage" (that profiles you as a drug runner) and see what transpires. This has already happened to me personally when I flew to Oakland, California to attend to the death of my father.
The reason they ask to search is this:
If they ask to search and you tell them yes, then anything and everything that they find, can be used against you in a court of law. If you REFUSE the search, they most likely will search you anyway, but anything that they find from that time is considered by the courts poisoned fruit and therefore inadmissible to be used against you.
That is how it was explained to me.
Our liberties and personal freedom's, constitutional rights, are being eroded right before our very eyes, and we stand back and do nothing about it. We have no one to blame but ourselves, we allow these things to happen, and then later on, we sit back and lament the fact that they are gone. I have nothing but the highest regard for police and veterans, don't get me wrong, it is the politicians that I cannot stand, they are parasites in our society.
BCO
Don,
You are exactly correct here! I too have been stopped and searched in airports for "traveling light" and having large amounts of cash on me. Flying across country to by a motorhome with my uncle & both of us had large amounts of cash, him to buy the MH and me for expense on the way home. And then several times to buy buses by my self or with my dad and I always get searched! Dad got by them once, but I always get the search. (Once I didn't even have much cash {less than $2500} but a $35,000 cashiers check! And was told "you can convert that to cash @ any bank since your the one who took it out of your bank")
And I was also told the exact same thing about the search, if they are determined to search you they are going to whether you like it or not. But if you refuse to give them permission than a lawyer can beat the "evidence" in court as inadmissible!
;D BK ;D
Rusty, you are funny. There are parts there that are not so nice, but, there are a lot of other places that are that way also. We have been thru there many times, never a problem. Broke down there once in the bus, right in the middle of traffic, had to be towed off of the road. Local police were nice and helpful. They even gave us a ride to a hotel, lol. Didnt care for that part, lol.
You can have the best time of your life around Breaux Bridge I love the people and the food we make it a point to travel from Houston there every year I can not bear the thought of Wayne and Lin having all the fun
good luck
Quote from: luvrbus on February 21, 2011, 07:47:22 AM
You can have the best time of your life around Breaux Bridge I love the people and the food we make it a point to travel from Houston there every year I can not bear the thought of Wayne and Lin having all the fun
good luck
Clifford,
You and Wayne are right. There are nice parts, and one of those places is Breaux Bridge. I was more talking generalities, as in close to the big cities.
Thanks for the correction.
God bless,
John
When I flew out to pick up my bus I was pulled out of line and searched because I had a one way ticket. I hadn't paid cash for the ticket or bought it last minute. It didn't really bother me.
On the other hand, if an officer searched my car and damaged it I would be in the police chief's office in no time. I guess I've always been of the opinion that someone who says no to a search request has something to hide. I had no idea they would actually remove door panels and such.
Quote from: belfert on February 21, 2011, 08:44:20 AM
On the other hand, if an officer searched my car and damaged it I would be in the police chief's office in no time. I guess I've always been of the opinion that someone who says no to a search request has something to hide. I had no idea they would actually remove door panels and such.
Yup, and that is probably what they figure too. However, if you tell them "No" they have to really want to. At that point, when they have the proper permission, that is fine if they do. If they damage anything, then I would simply take pictures, and go to the chief about it.
God bless,
John
Yes, they can and do remove door panels, back seats, and anything else that they may think holds contraban. The bad thing is if they don't find anything, they will leave you sitting on the side of the road with a pile of parts and if you're lucky, they may apologize. Many police departments have access to drug dogs that will find drugs quicker than the average lawman. Everyone should remember that when you are stopped for any violation, you are essentially under arrest. Your Miranda rights exist. The lawman is looking for all evidence that is there to convict you. At this point the lawman is NOT your friend. You do NOT need to cooperate at all. They have different avenues to collect evidence against you. You should not help them do this.
I have a lot of relatives that were former cops and some that still are. While employed as cops they were arrogant and more or less better than the general public. The ones that went back to civilian jobs soon become regular guys and are fun to hang out with. The ones still employed in law enforcement........ still jerks.
When my son was growing up my wife and I had Au-pairs to care for him. In our cluster we had one family that were police officers. In the time we had one Au-pair they went through four. They constantly played mind games with them until the Au-pair would either rematch with another family or drop out of the program. My family rescued two of them and they were wonderful people. The "officers" were finally dropped from the program.
It must be a mindset of some kind.
Brice
John,
You are so correct. There is such a thing as "implied consent". That would be when the police officer just starts ransacking your auto and later said "thought I had their permission because they didn't stop me or complain loudly".
Proper move is to lock all doors if you are asked to get out of the vehicle. Respectfully decline to be searched "for your own good and safety". Decline offers to have your vehicle searched. Cops are known to come out of a vehicle they searched with a bag of pot and a big shiX eat'n grin on their face. No one is insulated from this treatment unless they are "connected" or related to someone that is. I was a volunteer reserve officer for awhile....no gun, no badge and no uniform were my conditions of service and I was in the top 5% at the range and one sergeant remarked " Dam, John. I want to be on your side". I carried a gun when I was a civilian on my own dime but not when on any sort of duty.
John
Quote from: John316 on February 20, 2011, 07:03:49 PM
FWIW
I will always tell them "No." Remember, that is IF they ask. If not, there isn't much I can do about it. If it is legal, they have to tell you that.
It doesn't hurt to tell them "No." Always.
God bless,
John
Of course there are a lot of great cops out there. My friend in Montgomery I am staying with right now is a cop, as well as a lifelong friend, my sister and brother in-law!
But there are way too many total jerk cops out there too. Dirty cops are like dirty politicians. Pretentious jerks who abuse the power they were entrusted with while completely neglecting their true duty to SERVE the public.
Ah Darn Jumpsuitman I was planning to cut and paste your post because it was so profound and bang on.:)
I answered the phone and turned around and you edited it :(
Man oh Man did you get hit in the back of the head by the friend your staying with LOL :)
Quote from: Paso One on February 21, 2011, 12:13:47 PM
Ah Darn Jumpsuitman I was planning to cut and paste your post because it was so profound and bang on.:)
I answered the phone and turned around and you edited it :(
Man oh Man did you get hit in the back of the head by the friend your staying with LOL :)
LOL!!!!
I thought I got too riled up for a bus board, that's all. I meant everything I wrote, but just wanted to remain as cool as I could about the subject.
I bought my car from a dealership in Colorado for cash. Boy, you should have seen the looks on their faces, you'd have thought I robbed the bank.
They examined the money bit by bit by multiple managers and they each asked me questions about why carrying large sums of cash, it was well over the 10k mark. I told them truthfully that I was in town over a long holiday to buy a car and had to be home by the end of the holiday and knew that there was no way I'd be getting my hands on the cash while the banks were closed. I also knew that I'd be making a deal on one or another vehicle, I'd done quite a bit of homework and had a stack of papers printed out for models for sale, all of which I had called on and had solid info. For some reason you cannot or could not get what I wanted locally for anywhere near the prices outside of here, I had to go to So Cal for my Benz which I also paid cash for.
Anyway, I told them that if they had a problem with my money I could go elsewhere and naturally they eagerly accepted it though they told me multiple times that they had to report the cash sale. I told them that was fine, I had nothing to hide and didn't really care and I have never heard anything from anyone about it since....til now ;D
I did make sure to be armed while we had the cash, it was locked and stashed VERY well in a bank bag and yet not so as it would look like drug money or something similar or so I hoped. I was nervous carrying that much cash but all was fine. I worried about possible police seizure for some lame reason but I don't generally get pulled over.
I did however refuse to meet people in weird places to see cars and didn't carry cash on me on initial visits.
What is a shame is that many of us are just as afraid of a cop as we are of a thief. That alone is truly disturbing.
Quote from: Chopper Scott on February 21, 2011, 05:29:59 PM
What is a shame is that many of us are just as afraid of a cop as we are of a thief. That alone is truly disturbing.
At least you can run away from a thief.
CS,
There was a law on the Fed books that said that your money "could be the criminal and could be taken into custody". The example I recal most vividly was a black nursary/greenhous operator in Chicago or somewhere. He purchased a ticket to Miami or wheresoever and the ticket alerted the Feds that live in the airport for just such an opportunity. The feds asked the guy if he was carrying any cash and he confirmet that he was carrying $10K in a money belt. The cops "ARRESTED HIS MONEY" and turned him loose. With a lawyer and numerous sworn affidavits and tax records and other stuff including phone records to wholesale plant nurseries at his destination he tried to get his money back. NO DICE! He was told that his money was being held on suspicion and the fed was under no obligation to bring his money to trial. You can't make that shix up .
The typing on that last post got all weird and wouldn't let me conclude it.
The law, as I recall, was removed by congress after a howl went out from what must have been the inception of the T party. Back then if you were convicted of organized crime or narc trafficking you got all your money arrested and, now get this part, your wife and other relatives that got rich simultaneously with you also lost every red cent and their cars and homes. Now when Enron's Ken Lay died while riding a Exercycle in his vacation home near Denver, at around 6,500 feet. It was considered/"found to be" a death of natural causes even though he had a history of heart attacks and was on meds and had nitro, which he didn't get when he died, by the way. There was no explanation of what a cardiology patient with sever problems would be doing on a Exercycle BUT since he was dead a Fed judge declared the civil suit against Ken and his $500M worth of cashed out stock in the last 6 months of Enron as exempt from legal actions. The family said it was not obligated to disclose how many days prior to Ken's unfortunate "accident" had lapsed since he purchased the bike. He was being sued by unions he had bankrupted. One of those was Portland Electric which, when sold to Enron, had its entire pension fund liquidated and all funds used to purchase Enron stock. That was a severe misstep in public funds management and the union raised holy hell. The judge said that it was within the rights of the new owner to attach and manage the fund and that the "old agreement to use a bonded investment house" was voided when the sale of PG was completed without that stipulation in the purchase agreement. The argument was that the old owners were obligated to include it but the judge said "too late" and banged his gavel. The union was, at that time, trying to get the funds removed from Ken's control and it was only weeks after the sale. Too late.
Did you know that if you take Viagra and a Nitro pill at the same time it brings on immediate death. No autopsy and no blood testing cause he had a bad heart. Had he been found to have committed suicide or have died under questionable circumstances there was grounds to continue the civil suit for the union pension funds recovery. But, hey! The system is fair.....right?
John and I still remember the Alamo, also.