now This looks like a REAL Honey..

[superpickle]

A Crown on Ebay.. Does a Roadranger 10 speed $#!% 5 the split the 5 more. or split between each gear..?
Thanks, Paul...

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[jackhartjr]

Go through the gears once, hit the splitter button and do it again.
I think I explained that right.

[superpickle]

Go through the gears once, hit the splitter button and do it again.
I think I explained that right.

Yup, thats what i thought.. Thats the kind of Split shift i like.. 5 up, split 5 up again..  awsom...

[buswarrior]

Hello.

For those readers who are trying to figure this out via osmosis,
on the modern Roadranger transmissions....

The toggle on the front of the shifter that moves up and down changes the "range" and is used once, part way through climbing the gears, so that all or part of the shift pattern may be gone through again to reach the higher gears. down for low range and up for high range, popularly 9 and 10 speeds

A "splitter" is the switch on the side that moves forward and backward with your thumb, and is used alternatively on every shift, for those gears that the transmission is designed to be able to split, usually accompanied by a range toggle as well. back for low and forward for high, popularly 13, 15 and 18 speeds.

(Super 10 users, shhh, the rest don't understand!)

happy coaching!
buswarrior

[RJ]

Pickle -

The shift pattern is the same in the upper range as it is in the lower one.  Looks like a three-legged captal H, with 1st over to the left and down, with reverse above it.  2nd - 5th are in a standard 4-spd pattern.  When you pull the button, 6th is in the same slot as 1st, with 7 - 10 in the 4-spd pattern.  Make sense?

On this Crown, often it's simply 2nd, 4th, pull the button, 6th, 8th, 9th, 10th up to freeway speeds when empty or carrying kindergartners.  Pile in a bus load of high school football players plus their equipment and you'll have to add 5th and 7th to the shifting sequence.  Only if you have to climb the Transamerica Pyramid in San Francisco will you need 1st.

The beauty of all this is you get to listen to the singin' 6-71 all the while you're gear-jammin', something the pusher folk don't get to hear as much.

Oh, and when the shutters open for the radiator, the extra whoosh sound just adds some color to the Detroit's orchestration.

A great toy! 

FWIW & HTH. . .

[Ncbob]

Russ, is what you're saying is like a first timer at a Cat House with a pocket full of money? Run one through five, hit the switch and hit the first hole again and run through the process one more time? 

With tongue-in-cheek......

Bob

[RJ]

Bob -

Yeah, that's the idea - except it would be a Detroit house, rather than a Cat house, and you can skip the ugly ones!   

[jackhartjr]

Hey busswarrier...you said..."(Super 10 users, shhh, the rest don't understand!)".
Is the Super 10 the one that you release the clutch in first, fuel it, then move the splitter up, off the fuel then back on for the shift to 2nd (without moving the shifter), then move the splitter back down, off and on the fuel while at the same time moving the shifter into the next gear and so forth?
Jack

[TomC]

Super 10 (of which is not made anymore) is a straight 5 spd that each gear is split.  So 1st to 2nd is just a splitter, 2nd to 3rd is moving the splitter back and the gear shift to second position, 4th is just a splitter move, etc.  All 10 spds now are straight shift and are the same shift pattern no matter whether it be a direct or overdrive transmission.  In fact all Eaton Fuller transmissions have the same gear shift patter, just varying by how many gears it has.  An 18 is a nine speed that each gear can be split by the under drive.

Now to totally confuse you all.  The first 13 speeds were a 9 spd direct transmission with a 2 spd over drive unit bolted on the back of the transmission.  You shifted through the first 5, pulled up the button, then shifted through the upper four gears where you could split each gear with the overdrive splitter.  The current 13 and 18 spds are actually a 9 spd overdrive transmission with a 2 spd underdrive splitter bolted to the rear of the transmission.  You shift the transmission the same, and everything appears to be the same, but when you are in what is thought to be direct splitter, that is actually being in underdrive, and when you're in what is thought to be overdrive, is actually being in direct drive.  That's why anyone with a 13 or 18 spd from the last 7 years should keep the splitter in the forward position as much as possible to keep the splitter in direct, rather than going through the splitter gear.  I know, it's confusing.  Good Luck, TomC

[Busted Knuckle]

Excellent explanation Tom! And good riddens "SUPER 10's" those things were piece of junk nuisances from day 1! May the old "Road Ranger 13's"  doubled over live forever!   BK 

[bobofthenorth]

This thread has drifted far enough that this should be a legitimate question for Tom or  My 10 speed has what I call a goofy pattern - standard H except that 4/5 (or 9/10) are reversed.  It took me by surprise the 1st time I drove it but I have seen it on other units.  What's that called?  Somebody told me it is a "U" transmission - is that right?  It is actually a pretty nice pattern for skip shifting.  With an 8-92 I don't really need to go through every gear.

[Dallas]

Gee, we got that one figured out, now we can talk about the Triplex, the Quadraplex, the 4X3, the 4X4, the 5X4 and the 5X5. Then the different ones like the airshift 5 and 4 or the 2 stick 5 and 4.

And the list goes on and on and on.

One of our first logging trucks had a 4 X 4 two stick with a 2 speed brownie behind that and a 4 speed Rockwell transmission turned backwards behind that.

In Low, Low, Low, Reverse (Which was the only forward gear in the back transmission), at 2100 rpm on the old cummins 180 engine, You could put the truck against a Lodge Pole Pine and walk away from it for an hour. When you came back the truck would be buried to the axles or the tree would be knocked over. If the truck wasn't high centered on the tee, you would find it about 30' away doing it's best to run off by itself.

[TomC]

That old style overdrive where the shift pattern is reversed is what was used at first.  If you so desire, there is an X shifter that mounts to the top of the transmission and converts that shift pattern to a conventional straight shift pattern.
I was in Mexico and was on a Dina tour bus. It had a 6V-92TA with a 10 spd over in it.  Being a rear engine, the shift pattern was completely backwards and it had the switched 4-5.  So you started in first in the right most up position, 2nd came left one and down, 3rd was straight up, 4th was left one position and up, and 5th was directly back-talk about confusing!  Good Luck, TomC

[HB of CJ]

It depends upon the exact model of Roadranger.  My 1974 Crown Super Coach 40 foot 10 wheeler has the older, famous, (infamous?) close ratio Fuller RTO-910.  Superb tranny.  The shift pattern is simply a overdrive version of the tried and true 5 speed, only you get to go thru the gears twice, once in the low side, then again in the high side.  Forth and 5th gear (and 9th and 10th) are reversed, but you quickly get used to it.  More like shifting a dirt bike than a heavy truck tranny.  Two fingers, 5 pounds of effort, 1 inch movement.

The new "Super Ten" versions/models have a definite (in my opinion) FATAL FLAW in that the shift pattern is totally different.  With these models you have a basic 5 speed shift pattern with 1st down and left toward you, then with the other 4 holes arranged in a basic "H" pattern. You split each gear with the air shift gismo.  Bad idea.  When you are tired and not paying attention, muscle memory takes over and you will/do/have exploded an expensive truck tranny.  Just my opinion backed by experience. 

[buswarrior]

The Super 10 does have the benefit of less rowing of the stick to make your way through the gears.

But, I'm growing lazy and less interested in shifting 

Automated transmissions should be hitting the used truck lots in droves just about now....!

happy coaching!
buswarrior