Found in Series 60 oil pan
 

Found in Series 60 oil pan

Started by RichardEntrekin, November 09, 2023, 04:49:59 PM

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RichardEntrekin

Have any of you ever seen anything like this? This was found in the oil pan of a Series 60 engine powering a Newell.

Richard Entrekin
2007 Marathon XL II
Ford Maverick Hybrid Toad
Inverness, Fl

Often wrong, but seldom in doubt

RichardEntrekin

The pic is not helpful. I will get a better pic from the owner and repost.
Richard Entrekin
2007 Marathon XL II
Ford Maverick Hybrid Toad
Inverness, Fl

Often wrong, but seldom in doubt

RichardEntrekin

Richard Entrekin
2007 Marathon XL II
Ford Maverick Hybrid Toad
Inverness, Fl

Often wrong, but seldom in doubt

dtcerrato

My take at what I'm seeing:
It appears in color to have copper or brass in it.
From the looks it appears to have melted to liquid and reharden when cooled.
Where did it come from?
Somewhere in the engine with a composition alloy containing copper &/or brass that got hot enough to molten then cool to form smooth droplets?
Strange.
I have shared this on the BGM forum to get feedback.
Dan & Sandy
North Central Florida
PD4104-129 since 1979
Toads: 2009 Jeep GC Limited 4X4 5.7L Hemi
             2008 GMC Envoy SLT 4x4 4.2L IL Vortec

luvrbus

Looks like a a ceramic cam roller starting to flake off
Life is short drink the good wine first

RichardEntrekin

Thank you both.

Head is coming off to check the top end.
Richard Entrekin
2007 Marathon XL II
Ford Maverick Hybrid Toad
Inverness, Fl

Often wrong, but seldom in doubt

luvrbus

Richard,that could be some type mellitic stop leak that found it's way into the oil. ? is that a EGR series 60
Life is short drink the good wine first

Van

What was the reason for removing the pan?
B&B CoachWorks
Bus Shop Mafia.
Now in N. Cakalaki

RichardEntrekin

One of those metallic looking pieces was found in the oil catch pan when changing the oil. The owner felt like it needed further investigation. No known engine issues at this point.

It was an abundance of caution approach.
Richard Entrekin
2007 Marathon XL II
Ford Maverick Hybrid Toad
Inverness, Fl

Often wrong, but seldom in doubt

RichardEntrekin

Cliff,

Anything is possible. The owner didn't put anything like that in the engine, but he is not the first owner.

I am a Chemical Engineer, and that was my first guess too. It looks like something has precipitated out of solution to form those nodules.
Richard Entrekin
2007 Marathon XL II
Ford Maverick Hybrid Toad
Inverness, Fl

Often wrong, but seldom in doubt

RichardEntrekin

Richard Entrekin
2007 Marathon XL II
Ford Maverick Hybrid Toad
Inverness, Fl

Often wrong, but seldom in doubt

dtcerrato

Here's a post copied from the BGM site of maybe something to ponder:

"Does it have a Delco 50DN hanging anywhere with a #16 oil return directly to the pan ? The amount of copper , lead , bearings , and most anything else can directly make it to the oil pan .don't be so fast to yank the head off a perfect running 60 series."

@Richard Your mention of something precipitating out of solution to form those nodules caught my attention but is above my carpentry skills.
Dan & Sandy
North Central Florida
PD4104-129 since 1979
Toads: 2009 Jeep GC Limited 4X4 5.7L Hemi
             2008 GMC Envoy SLT 4x4 4.2L IL Vortec

luvrbus

Quote from: dtcerrato on November 11, 2023, 04:34:40 PM
Here's a post copied from the BGM site of maybe something to ponder:

"Does it have a Delco 50DN hanging anywhere with a #16 oil return directly to the pan ? The amount of copper , lead , bearings , and most anything else can directly make it to the oil pan .don't be so fast to yank the head off a perfect running 60 series."

@Richard Your mention of something precipitating out of solution to form those nodules caught my attention but is above my carpentry skills.


Most Newells with the series 60 have a 12v air cooled Leece-Neville alternator
Life is short drink the good wine first

Jim Blackwood

It does look a little like you would expect from melted windings dropped in oil...
I saw it on the Internet. It MUST be true...

luvrbus

Even if he had a 50 D the way they are made in 3 sections winding would all be impossible to enter the oil system without a complete destruction of the 50D and the belt would have melted before that happen
Life is short drink the good wine first