Stick-N-Staple RV in a Rollover Accident do not fare very well as you can see

Gary Hatt - Publisher BCM · May 24, 2023, 07:30:57 AM

Reason #202 why I prefer a Bus Conversion over a Stick-N-Staple motorhome.

I feel much safer when traveling down the road in my Bus Conversion. Check out this short video and let me know if you think the occupants would have felt better had they been in a Bus Conversion instead.

https://youtu.be/dBLgkZYtPpM

Glennman · May 24, 2023, 12:46:07 PM

The only good thing about it was the person driving the RV didn't have to worry about getting trapped in the vehicle since the whole top came off. I hope there weren't any injuries!

bobofthenorth · May 24, 2023, 07:59:50 PM

These threads pop up from time to time. I'm not sure what purpose they serve, other than self gratification. I'm not going to post a link or images but if you want to see what an H45 looks like with the roof ripped clean off Google "Humboldt bus crash images". Be warned though - its not for the faint of heart. It doesn't matter the coach construction - when the smelly stuff hits the fan the driver is going to be the first guy to arrive, no matter who built the coach behind him. The best way to avoid the carnage is to not get in the accident in the first place.

Gary Hatt - Publisher BCM · May 25, 2023, 03:51:46 PM

Quote from: bobofthenorth on May 24, 2023, 07:59:50 PM
These threads pop up from time to time. I'm not sure what purpose they serve, other than self gratification. I'm not going to post a link or images but if you want to see what an H45 looks like with the roof ripped clean off Google "Humboldt bus crash images". Be warned though - its not for the faint of heart. It doesn't matter the coach construction - when the smelly stuff hits the fan the driver is going to be the first guy to arrive, no matter who built the coach behind him. The best way to avoid the carnage is to not get in the accident in the first place.

The point of this video if you look closely, after rolling over, the Stick-N-Staple unit completely folds up and disintegrates. I was surprised to see someone stepping out of that accident. It will need a bucket loader and a dump truck to clean up the mess it created. When a bus rolls over, the structure is mostly intact. Sure, maybe you can't drive it away, but the bus looks like a bus in the end. Buses in general, as most people on this Forum realize, are safer to be inside than a Stick-N-Staple unit in a rollover crash. A head-on crash as you mentioned, is a different story, but this was not a head-on crash. But there are freak accidents all the time that change the results of crashes and are not typical.

bobofthenorth · May 25, 2023, 04:01:54 PM

As you said yourself Gary, most people already know this - namely that in some specific situations a bus will be safer than some of the alternatives. As I said, you're preaching to the choir.

The best accident to be in is the one you avoid entirely.

Gary Hatt - Publisher BCM · May 25, 2023, 04:19:59 PM

Quote from: bobofthenorth on May 25, 2023, 04:01:54 PM
As you said yourself Gary, most people already know this - namely that in some specific situations a bus will be safer than some of the alternatives. As I said, you're preaching to the choir.

The best accident to be in is the one you avoid entirely.

I was an EMT, Firefighter, and the Captian of the Rescue Squad in a previous life and went to a lot of vehicle accidents, so I am very careful, especially when driving my bus, with not the best brake setup with only 2 axles. When I see brake lights come on ahead of me, my Jake brakes immediately are activated, and I start slowing down. I also decelerate long before I approach a rest area or exit ramp.

As for preaching to the choir, most members do not realize that we have at least one new member sign up to this Forum every day. Many are not familiar with the structural integrity of a bus, but want to learn more about them. I have had more than one person send me a personal message thanking me for posting this type of information as they want to be assured of that integrity and they also like to share it with their friends to make them feel more at ease as well, or when trying to convince them to buy a bus. This is why I like to promote the safety of converting a bus over buying a factory-built motorhome. Personally, I don't know how some of them are even allowed on the road, but that is a topic of another discussion.

luvrbus · May 25, 2023, 08:38:51 PM

They always show entry level RV's in accidents, travel trailers on a Ford Van's do not do great in wrecks and roll overs You can't just say all factory RV's are not built good, I did a lot of research before buying a RV and I think my Country Coach would survive a harder hit than a bus with the double frame from front to rear and the cage for driver and passenger safety.Entry level RV's are made cheap to sell at affordable prices and cheap maintenance cost,when we were looking for 32 ft in Quartzsite I was amazed at the quality of the new RV's it was terrible

Boomer · May 27, 2023, 06:56:17 PM

What, no comments on the dumb @$# move that rv pulled on the truck?
That little bump hardly moved an 80,000 lb. truck.

Van · May 27, 2023, 08:22:04 PM

luvrbus · May 28, 2023, 03:45:19 AM

It does get scary when you see all the visitors to the US behind the wheel of the rental RV's,rental co's just take the money and send them on their way.I have seen those rentals going down the road with the cord and sewer hose still attached to the RV dragging.If a RV has the rental signs all over it lol I make a lot of room

windtrader · May 28, 2023, 09:07:37 AM

you know how long a nanosecond is? The time it takes me to ponder renting my bus conversion. lol

chessie4905 · May 28, 2023, 09:08:25 AM

Cliff, you sure that one wasn't the Munro family with Bob driving?

luvrbus · May 28, 2023, 12:10:15 PM

Bus were built for the passenger's safety, drivers of a bus don't fare good in wrecks, a bus can hit a KIA head on or broad side and it totals a bus and drivers are lucky to survive. The van part of a class C RV meets all the safety requirements issued by our government the cabin on the chassis has seat belts that's all the government requires.

Jim Blackwood · May 29, 2023, 06:52:55 AM

I'm a little surprised that everyone has given that truck driver a pass. While clearly he is not as much at fault as the RV driver he is anything but blameless. While I will not openly accuse him of speeding up to cut off the RV we all know that some do and he most certainly did not slow down any or do a single thing to avoid the collision or lessen the damage. Considering he had what the law defines as the "Last Clear Chance" to avoid the accident a court could very easily find him to be 100% at fault. It was glaringly obvious what was going down and he could have easily moved over enough to give way and could just as easily hit the brakes to avoid contact. While doing both might have taxed his skills as a driver a bit, if he is driving a semi he is presumed to have the skills he would have needed. He very clearly did neither and a sharp lawyer would argue that he actually steered into the collision. I wouldn't want to be that truck driver when it goes to court. His insurance is probably going to end up paying for this, to say nothing of the fact that he very likely just killed someone. This is entirely apart from the damage, lost time, inconvenience to many people, overall cost, and trouble that he caused when it could all have been avoided by just being a more considerate driver. I don't care if this $#!% happens all the time. All it takes is one bad reaction to bring the whole world crashing down around you, and the larger the rig the higher the standards because the larger the potential is for destruction and mayhem. The argument will be that it's one of two things, neither of which let him off the hook. Either he was criminally negligent in driving such an enormous implement of destruction while demonstrably incapable of monitoring and controlling it, demonstrating an astronomically high level of incompetence and negligence, or his arrogance and road rage led him to attack the RV driver. Honestly, he can't win this. Even if he did nothing wrong, he also did nothing right. And in this case doing nothing just isn't good enough. Sorry, that's just the way it is.

I'm not saying this lets the RV driver off the hook. He was an idiot and may have very likely have paid with his life. There is no reason to think the survivor was also the driver. Regardless, he was driving the RV like it was his sports car and that's just wrong. I'm not sure what could be done about that but it's a fact that we are surrounded by idiots and the best tactic is to always be on guard against them. Long term survival demands it.

Jim

usbusin · May 29, 2023, 08:34:59 AM

https://cdllife.com/2023/video-motorhome-driver-cited-for-trying-to-sneak-in-front-of-semi-resulting-in-serious-crash/

Big discussion on this wreck on Escapees board.