Firearms in the bus?

Tedsoldbus · December 21, 2021, 04:47:02 PM

That is our little Bus Mafia leader!!! Don't worry Van. Years in the military and police officer, I won't be spraying things or throwing gummy bears. It is just interesting to hear ideas. I did not like it last year when I was parked at the relatives house in New Jersey and found out my Glock in the overhead was a no no. 25 years service and 8 a years police officer - formally trained on the use of force, and I was.....a violator? It just jacked me up. Can't change it. I'll just take the Mossberg and quit whining.

epretot · December 21, 2021, 06:19:00 PM

There isn't one single gun law I care about...

When all of my friends started talking about conceal carry, I knew we were in trouble.

I'm not asking for permission...

luvrbus · December 21, 2021, 06:40:43 PM

Richard did a good write up ,only problem with it is there is more to the US than just New England.I wonder if you can still buy a Rolex watch in Times Square for 5 bucks like you could :in the 70's

richard5933 · December 21, 2021, 06:49:43 PM

Quote from: luvrbus on December 21, 2021, 06:40:43 PM
Richard did a good write up ,only problem with it is there is more to the US than just New England.I wonder if you can still buy a Rolex watch in Times Square for 5 bucks like you could :in the 70's

I was summarizing. The study did go beyond one area of the country.

Reality and perception are not always the same. Just because the news shows something happening 100s of times doesn't mean it is. Nothing new - they've been using things like this to get eyes on their broadcast since TV started. Gets worse every year during the two sweeps weeks/months.

And I'd guess yes - you can still buy that watch you've always wanted from numerous places. Not just limited to Times Square any more.

buswarrior · December 21, 2021, 08:18:03 PM

Quote from: luvrbus on December 21, 2021, 06:40:43 PM
I wonder if you can still buy a Rolex watch in Times Square for 5 bucks like you could :in the 70's

South Street Seaport, anything you want, discount to the bus driver for introducing the vendor to the passengers, and providing cover from the authorities.

That $10 Swiss watch knock-off worked great for 3 years!

happy coaching!
buswarrior

freds · December 21, 2021, 09:48:21 PM

Quote from: richard5933 on December 21, 2021, 02:05:02 PM
However, the kids back then were allowed a much higher degree of autonomy and freedom by their parents. In recent years, as those kids became parents and had kids of their own they allowed their kids a much smaller amount of freedom in spite of the danger actually being considerably lower.

In looking back, I can't believe how free-range I was as a kid, verses how much kids are locked down and tracked today!!! Ok was not an angel LOL!!!

windtrader · December 21, 2021, 11:17:08 PM

Quote from: freds on December 21, 2021, 09:48:21 PM
In looking back, I can't believe how free-range I was as a kid, verses how much kids are locked down and tracked today!!! Ok was not an angel LOL!!!

The increase in media coverage of incidents occurring in obscure places is a dual edge sword. Yes, it does seem like the country is going to explode any day with all these events being viral and out of proportion. But it has also surfaced incidents occurring in obscure places such as sexual predators and child abduction.

I'm certain my mom would not let me ride my bike for hours, just be home for dinner, after seeing the scary and really horrific things being done to kids. I am certain it is a new trend but was just kept under the covers and very local in days past.

richard5933 · December 22, 2021, 03:29:10 AM

Quote from: windtrader on December 21, 2021, 11:17:08 PM
The increase in media coverage of incidents occurring in obscure places is a dual edge sword. Yes, it does seem like the country is going to explode any day with all these events being viral and out of proportion. But it has also surfaced incidents occurring in obscure places such as sexual predators and child abduction.

I'm certain my mom would not let me ride my bike for hours, just be home for dinner, after seeing the scary and really horrific things being done to kids. I am certain it is a new trend but was just kept under the covers and very local in days past.

Your concerns are specifically what the study was looking at. The reality is that back when we were kids the exact same things were happening, but rarely reported and even more rarely were people caught and prosecuted. Incidents happened all the time, few reported or spoke about it, and kids were actually at higher levels of danger.

Things like this weren't spoken about in polite society, excuses were made, and nothing was done to stop it. And, incidents from one part of the state or country weren't all over the news across the nation creating the feeling that we're all in constant danger.

My guess is this...

If a study was done comparing people who watch lots of news online or on TV vs. those who only read/watch rarely it would find that the both groups of people have the same rate of being a victim of crime, but the group that is more into the news would perceive that they are at a much greater danger than the group who occupies their time with other things.

Reality and perception are two different things.

luvrbus · December 22, 2021, 03:53:34 AM

We have a big problem with crime just look around you don't have to see it on the news.We have nuts in DC that want no bail and 1 saying to stop crime stop building jails,people do not respect each other now is a big problem.You respected your mom and dad now you see 6 years in WM calling their mom a bitch because he or she didn't get the toy they wanted.Now you busted their @$# for that some bleeding heart would call a agency on you then all hell would break loose for a parent.I never was into studies because most are million dollar grants from the government to write what they want you to know .Richard I don't need a Rolex I have a real one seldom do I wear it because I don't want some thug mugging me over a watch or ring. You protect yourself and family with what ever method one chooses IMO .My mind changed about carrying when we were in Killeen Texas when a sicko shot the people in Luby's enjoying a meal with family and friends.The jury is out with me if I could really shoot another person or not though,I cannot even put a sick or old dog down I always end up paying a vet 200 bucks

Tedsoldbus · December 22, 2021, 04:55:37 AM

It is a different time. In 9th grade, Ft Collins Colorado. Three of my friends and I would walk to school with our pump shotguns. We took the barrels off so they would fit in our locker. One time one teacher asked what we were doing with those guns. We told him after school we walk 2 miles and hunt geese in Farmer Wilson's corn field. He said "ok". It did not cross our MINDS to shoot anybody!
And there were no "time outs". I'd get time out SIDE to look for a stick I thought might not hurt....
A different time

Nova Eona · December 22, 2021, 08:55:41 AM

Unfortunately other studies have found that when someone holds a false belief, showing them data which contradicts that belief only strengthens that false belief oftentimes. Violent crime has been on the decline for decades, but that doesn't make for good news stories (on either side of the aisle) and I think a subset of the population thinks it's perversely appealing picturing a 'Mad Max' style future coming our way because they expect they'll be on top in the anarchy (or because they just like to glorify their own generation / prior time period).

That said, personally I prefer a nonlethal defense as a first option - not just out of caution and humanity, but because it removes that additional split-second of indecision where you have to decide to take someone's life in the heat of the moment. It's a lot easier to consider pepper spraying someone on a false alarm / misunderstanding than shooting them.

lostagain · December 22, 2021, 09:27:10 AM

Not directly related, but a good memory. Driving a bus with a group of high ranking politicians in the '70s from Jasper to Banff. Couple hundred miles. Two marked police cars, one in front, one in back. Plus a couple of black pain ones. Brake neck speed, for a bus. Driving through red lights, traffic parting in front of us. Lots of fire power on the bus too, judging by the two burly guys with the sun glasses. I don't think they were politicians.

Driving bus was fun.

TomC · December 22, 2021, 09:37:25 AM

Nothing better than the sound of- clank, clank- of cocking a shotgun to get someone's attention.

luvrbus · December 22, 2021, 09:45:18 AM

2021 more police were shot and killed in the history of the United States,city burning, grab robberies some one define violent crime from a study please

Jim Blackwood · December 22, 2021, 09:54:51 AM

I do hope you guys realize that if you use pepper spray in an enclosed space you just pepper sprayed yourself.

I've always considered a good deterrent and a willingness to retreat to be the best defenses. A sturdy and visible sheath knife on your belt will go a long ways in keeping bad intent at bay. I'm not saying carry a Bowie knife around all the time but oddly enough that's one of the personal defense weapons that it is legal to carry many places you wouldn't think it would be.

Jim